Originally posted by carver9
Doomsday also struggled to punch himself from an underground bunker. He wasn't all that impressive to today's standard characters.
That seems totally unimpresive unless you read between the lines.
Apparently Calatonians did have the technology to kill DD, but according to their customs killing was not their ways. So they decided to bury him.
Now consider if one of the locks or chains holding one of Doomsday hands ONLY broke after the combined all out attack of a GL, Maxima, Bloodwyn, BoosterBooster, Fire and Superman. So if a lock could only break with that amount of power that points at the Calatonian tech to be pretty good when it comes to incarceration, don't you think?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
That seems totally unimpresive unless you read between the lines.Apparently Calatonians did have the technology to kill DD, but according to their customs killing was not their ways. So they decided to bury him.
Now consider if one of the locks or chains holding one of Doomsday hands ONLY broke after the combined all out attack of a GL, Maxima, Bloodwyn, BoosterBooster, Fire and Superman. So if a lock could only break with that amount of power that points at the Calatonian tech to be pretty good when it comes to incarceration, don't you think?
Majority of the stuff Doomsday had to punch through was rock and dirt as well. Also, nothing was said of any special material being used on the door Doomsday had to punch through. Continue to make up things while I sit back and read.
Originally posted by carver9
Majority of the stuff Doomsday had to punch through was rock and dirt as well. Also, nothing was said of any special material being used on the door Doomsday had to punch through. Continue to make up things while I sit back and read.
Originally posted by carver9
Continue to make up things
Originally posted by carver9
Continue to make up things
Originally posted by carver9
Majority of the stuff Doomsday had to punch through was rock and dirt as well. Also, nothing was said of any special material being used on the door Doomsday had to punch through. Continue to make up things while I sit back and read.
Nothing was said about the material just panel showed to only break with a combined full attack of the JLA. I don't have to make things up buddy, did or did not that material only broke AFTER a combined attack of the JLA?
I mean with that panel showing I don't think Dan Jurgens has to grab you by the hand and explain to you that the calatonian chains only broke after a full atack from the JLA, right?
And the rock and dirt DD punched was just the last part he went though, so don't be silly dude.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElIt meets the criteria of the thread so why complain ? Jurgens also explained why Doomsday was more impressive and his idea of his power level which has been exaggerated left and fight in the forum. Superman was pretty scared of going up against him. Nightmares. If I had a Superman limits folder I'd definitely put those scans in there.
Lol at comparing Hulk with DD.Under Jurgens DOS DD survived a combined alll out blast from Maxima, Guy Gardner, Blodwynn, Boster, Fire and Superman all this with ONE HAND ties behind his back, so 😂 where does Hulk has a similar feat? The only one I recall it will be under Peter David and even Peter David acknowledge that Superman will defeat the Hulk. HP DD is another entire beast. On a different level.
And @ one punch I corrected you, because you claimed Superman was "sun dipped" Superman looks way different when he is "sun dipped" fyi .IMO a 100% slightly longer than usual charge will not count as a sundip. Plus the JLA didn't know Superman was 100% charged, still they decided to attack him with alll they got, using Barda and Orion as element of surprise helped by WW, GL, MMH, Supergirl and Superboy, all this while batmn tried to weakened him with syntetic k at the begining of the fight. Why would they prepare so much against a weak enemy that according to many MMH will be enough to take him down?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Nothing was said about the material just panel showed to only break with a combined full attack of the JLA. I don't have to make things up buddy, did or did not that material only broke AFTER a combined attack of the JLA?I mean with that panel showing I don't think Dan Jurgens has to grab you by the hand and explain to you that the calatonian chains only broke after a full atack from the JLA, right?
And the rock and dirt DD punched was just the last part he went though, so don't be silly dude.
You still have no proof though....especially for you to down Hulk in comparison to that Doomsday. You bringing up what Doomsday withstood during that arc like Hulk never withstood anything on that level of power or greater is laughable. A great example of this would be what Hulk withstood from Galaxy Master who was casually destroying planets with ease. It was said by Galaxy himself that he was hitting Hulk with planet pushing power and Hulk did his usual and powered through it.
And let's not forget that Hulk casually punched through a door that could withstand the power of Nukes. See what I did there? I didn't have to make up something when what I said was stated on panel. Hulk ripping doors down during a test of his strength that was created by the smartest beings on the planet (that was trying to find a limit to his power). Yeah, I'm not impressed. Nice showings but NOTHING comparable to what people like Hulk and Thor has done. Keep praising DOS though.
Originally posted by carver9
You still have no proof though....especially for you to down Hulk in comparison to that Doomsday. You bringing up what Doomsday withstood during that arc like Hulk never withstood anything on that level of power or greater is laughable. A great example of this would be what Hulk withstood from Galaxy Master who was casually destroying planets with ease. It was said by Galaxy himself that he was hitting Hulk with planet pushing power and Hulk did his usual and powered through it.And let's not forget that Hulk casually punched through a door that could withstand the power of Nukes. See what I did there? I didn't have to make up something when what I said was stated on panel. Hulk ripping doors down during a test of his strength that was created by the smartest beings on the planet (that was trying to find a limit to his power). Yeah, I'm not impressed. Nice showings but NOTHING comparable to what people like Hulk and Thor has done. Keep praising DOS though.
Good post.
Originally posted by carver9
You still have no proof though....especially for you to down Hulk in comparison to that Doomsday. You bringing up what Doomsday withstood during that arc like Hulk never withstood anything on that level of power or greater is laughable. A great example of this would be what Hulk withstood from Galaxy Master who was casually destroying planets with ease. It was said by Galaxy himself that he was hitting Hulk with planet pushing power and Hulk did his usual and powered through it.And let's not forget that Hulk casually punched through a door that could withstand the power of Nukes. See what I did there? I didn't have to make up something when what I said was stated on panel. Hulk ripping doors down during a test of his strength that was created by the smartest beings on the planet (that was trying to find a limit to his power). Yeah, I'm not impressed. Nice showings but NOTHING comparable to what people like Hulk and Thor has done. Keep praising DOS though.
Lol Supernan has busted nuke doors quite easily. And some of the feats Hulk has that are very impressive, get their comparative value by the writer who wrote those feats for Hulk, when he said Superman will defeat the Hulk, meaning that anything that Hulk did under Peter David will be surpased by Superman is Peter David was writting Superman. Now you want Jurgens to explain you that scene? Or not? Why did the metal only broke after the combined JLA attack?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet👆
His point about you superfans being ignorant to the power and feats of Marvel characters is sound. Of course you didn't even speak to his point about Hulk's durability feat and went into supermode.
Don't worry rao always going into hiding. Give him a few days and poof.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Lol Supernan has busted nuke doors quite easily. And some of the feats Hulk has that are very impressive, get their comparative value by the writer who wrote those feats for Hulk, when he said Superman will defeat the Hulk, meaning that anything that Hulk did under Peter David will be surpased by Superman is Peter David was writting Superman. Now you want Jurgens to explain you that scene? Or not? Why did the metal only broke after the combined JLA attack?
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You're bringing up stuff that is irrelevant. I'm not even bringing up Hulk's best but yet you are literally throwing out fts involving Superman that was not even done during the arc. Lol...let's not pretend like this version of DOS Superman was walking around with nuke level power. As shown here,the same Superman that fought Doomsday got koed by an exploding freaking gas station.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111146317/3687404-5129287298-35052.jpg
Superman at his lowest could've brushed that off and I'm talking about today's Superman. Hell, Hulk has been brushing through Nukes like Candy...
http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/lgu88/media-full/dec4/IndestructibleHulkAnnual1031_zpsf4d219c4.jpg.html
http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/lgu88/media-full/dec4/IndestructibleHulkAnnual1032_zps81a914a6.jpg.html
During his fight against Deadpool, a nuke was thrown in his mouth and be tanked the explosion. Do you see what I am doing here (stay on topic please)? I'm discussing the characters during that arc. The showings there wasn't so great. Superman's durability wasn't close to what you are trying to imply and I'm pretty sure his strength wasn't close to today's Superman either. All of these characters received a huge increase in power and you expect me to believe that Doomsday, someone that struggled to punch through a bunker could take on a being that punch continental size ships out of space. A being that shake the planet during a fist exchange. Get out of here. You can continue to bring up that ft if you want but again, Marvel's best and yes, Hulk is one of them, withstood far greater than what you are trying to exploit here. Also, lol at you bringing writers into this. Writers has also said Hulk would break Superman and I'm referring to a stronger Superman, not DOS Supes. Writers opinions hold no weight here. Today's Hulk, hell, classic Hulk would defeat that version of Doomsday. Like I've told you before, I'm not impressed.
LMAO, using H/P Doomsday and a weakened hulk to boost surfer.
Oh bran!
Originally posted by One Big MobYeah, he does so much worse! If only he got oneshotted like Orion or Martian Manhunter!!!
Abhi wants to compare combat related feats between Norrin Radd and Kal-el. So let's see how each of them fared against arguably the biggest, baddest, more well known bricks from each respective universe. Firstly, we see Superman and his keep of fear at the mere thought of facing Doomsday again. Superman is wetting the bed just dreaming about Doomsday.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-47.jpg.htmlhttp://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-29_1.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-46.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-47.jpg.htmlSecondly, we see Superman has an ally against Doomsday who has faced off against the planetary defenses of Apokolips even prior to. Doomsday was not fresh by any means. Here we see Superman has a mother box amp as well as having an ally against Doomsday with preparation to boot.
The motherbox:
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http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/hp_supes4.jpg
We see how easily Doomsday hurts him with the bone spurs as well as how terrible he does in general:
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Now let's compare [B]Superman's prepped, amped, ally aided fight against an opponent he wet the bed dreaming about to the Silver Surfer's fight against Hulk. Surfer with his power cosmic weakened had to go up against the Hulk and his war bound all on his own. Norrin Radd doesn't look scared at all. He also is taking on the Hulk and friends all by himself in gladiatorial combat. The Surfer's forte isn't melee combat either it's the Hulk's strong suit. Look how impressive the Surfer is when actively fighting back. Towards the end of the fight Surfer's obedience disk was broken thus allowing him to oppose the Red King's will. He doesn't fight back and takes his beatdown willingly. Despite all this he isn't harmed significantly against facing an opponent at his strength with his warbound cronies.By a weakened hulk? Hulk was weakened more than surfer, bound by the same warbound disks and surfer had far more time to regain his strength.
Hulk powered through the portal and landed on the planet conscious. Surfer was KTFO passing through the same portal.
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Here's proof of how weak Surfer was. He got weakened by the portal, had his power cosmic cut off from the obedience discs, and was farther weakened by the planet:But let me guess, Hulk passing through the same portal and warbound disks controlling him did not weakened him, right?
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/IncredibleHulk95-005.jpg.htmlhttp://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/IncredibleHulk95-022.jpg.html
Surfer vs the Warbound. Hulk had regained a decent amount of power at this stage:Surfer had regained far more power than hulk.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/IncredibleHulk95-010.jpg.html
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So really when we break down abhi's challenge it becomes laughable. He always claims he punches Surfer's teeth out. We see Superman is afraid to fight a brute.Like Thanos?
Or Lunatik? Or Thor?
How does it goes against Thor for surfer bran?
Surfer takes on a brute with no fear and allows him to beat him down even without any significant injuries. Superman needed a mother box, tried to avoid Doomsday, and sustained brutal injuries. Superman was amped while Surfer was weakened. Superman had prep while Surfer had none. Superman had numbers while the Surfer did not. Superman was scared shitless while the Surfer was fearless.. Facts are facts. Abhi, you can't change them.
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Such a waste of time you are.
Just for fun, here's Surfer at full power taking attacks to really no effect from an amped Hulk before Abby starts posting 40 year old scans in an attempt to lowball:
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[/quote] Hulk was weakened actually. He lost to a T-rex beat him. Even Mr. Hyde was beating him up. He still waded through surfer's blasts like nothing.
Surfer is just a pussy that he needed to make a force field to stop Hulk manhandling him like a *****. Even Mr. Hyde fought that Hulk and actually overpowered him.
Hyde took Hulk's punches even better than Surfer did. He didn't hide behind a force field after all.
🙂
Originally posted by One-PunchLets see then.
He has plenty feats.
However, Surfer doesn't necessarily "detect weaknesses." I don't see Surfer creating kryptonite or even using red sun radiation. A more accurate description of how he fights is that when he senses his opponent's energies (if they have any), he will exploit it to his advantage in a fight. Examples below:Nothing to people like Superman.Surfer easily takes out Vision and Wonder Man via disrupting their electrical and ionic energies:
http://i.imgur.com/Zv2a2G7.jpg
He has tanked characters actually turning his blood into kryptonite.
Can surfer do anything like that?
Surfer easily purges the Gamma radiation from Hulk's cells, depowering him permanently:Even someone like Sun Eater can't do that to Superman. It was draining even Parallax.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsSilverSurfer08250.jpg.html
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Just after Superman helped in creating a duplicate sun.
Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]Surfer isn't as good as Parasite in absorbing power. Also Superman has resisted getting drained by far better energy absorbers than surfer.Superman helps in making another small sun and resists his energies getting drained by the sun-eater when others fared much worse
Originally posted by abhilegend
And the aftrementioned sun eater was so powerful that it needed the full power of Parallax to beat it.http://i.imgur.com/w2dlH5M.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zEAUqt9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0IGXJnq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nshOPZ6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pD7Ul2f.jpgAnd it destroyed thousands of worlds, devouring light and heat was its main power.
http://i.imgur.com/QitVjYh.jpg
Superman still resisted being drained by it.
Takes out Super Saiyan Skaar; Surfer drains and seals away Skaar's Old Power, which is Skaar's birthright. He also repairs the planet at the same time:Superman oneshots a quantum zealot who is shown defeating a 5-D imp.
http://imgur.com/a/bBK66#4 <--- Skaar is destroying the planet here
http://imgur.com/a/bBK66#5
http://imgur.com/a/bBK66#6^Skaar was tapping into all of his ancestor's Old Power; enough energy to feed Galactus for 100,000 years, and gave Skaar the ability to easily planet bust:
http://imgur.com/a/bBK66#3
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16015855/supermanvsimp.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16015857/supermanvsimp2.jpg.html
Quantum zealots were far more powerful than a 5-D imp. I don't have to inform you how powerful an imp is, do I?
Surfer casually manipulates Jack of Heart's internal energy via Power Cosmic to cause him pain:Jack of hearts? Haha, what? But for random scans, Superman overpowers Neron himself who was controlling him.
http://i.imgur.com/NRo1X28.jpg
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16864264/DayOfJudgement5-04.jpg.html
Surfer draining Firelord's cosmic fire, than overloading him with it:http://i.imgur.com/Rk1blsp.jpgSuperman overcoming Hollow Men who drain everything from their victims.
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Surfer draining his clone's cosmic energy (the clone was equal to him in power), to the point of absorbing his clone's entire essence into himself:Because it was powered by Power Cosmic. Superman actually killed his actual clone bizarro who was his equal.
http://imgur.com/a/L6aO0#6
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No bullshit or tricks.
Then there's this little goody:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/1/15293/414526-triumph2.JPG [/B]
There is this little goody.
Fear not, surfer is going to beat Thor...........
Or not.
The difference is that Triumph was powered by Imp magic which is inherently harmful to Superman. While Thor straight up bashed surfer's head in.
Originally posted by carver9
😂You're bringing up stuff that is irrelevant. I'm not even bringing up Hulk's best but yet you are literally throwing out fts involving Superman that was not even done during the arc. Lol...let's not pretend like this version of DOS Superman was walking around with nuke level power. As shown here,the same Superman that fought Doomsday got koed by an exploding freaking gas station.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111146317/3687404-5129287298-35052.jpg
Superman at his lowest could've brushed that off and I'm talking about today's Superman. Hell, Hulk has been brushing through Nukes like Candy...
http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/lgu88/media-full/dec4/IndestructibleHulkAnnual1031_zpsf4d219c4.jpg.html
http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/lgu88/media-full/dec4/IndestructibleHulkAnnual1032_zps81a914a6.jpg.htmlDuring his fight against Deadpool, a nuke was thrown in his mouth and be tanked the explosion. Do you see what I am doing here (stay on topic please)? I'm discussing the characters during that arc. The showings there wasn't so great. Superman's durability wasn't close to what you are trying to imply and I'm pretty sure his strength wasn't close to today's Superman either. All of these characters received a huge increase in power and you expect me to believe that Doomsday, someone that struggled to punch through a bunker could take on a being that punch continental size ships out of space. A being that shake the planet during a fist exchange. Get out of here. You can continue to bring up that ft if you want but again, Marvel's best and yes, Hulk is one of them, withstood far greater than what you are trying to exploit here. Also, lol at you bringing writers into this. Writers has also said Hulk would break Superman and I'm referring to a stronger Superman, not DOS Supes. Writers opinions hold no weight here. Today's Hulk, hell, classic Hulk would defeat that version of Doomsday. Like I've told you before, I'm not impressed.
Carver Don't make me laugh with your argument.
Jurgens (The same guy who ko Superman with a gas station after fighting DD for a while and receiving a haymaker from Maxima) had Superman withstanding the core pressure of Almerac after receiving a super nova blast from Starbreaker. Not only that but DOS DD had already survived at that point a fight with a Guardian of the Galaxy and IIRC He wasn't killed by a explosion that open a hole in the space.
And don't lie about what PAK said a lot of people who had read the interview saw that PAK said that Superman will win a fight with the hulk because he always finds a way. That DD/Super will loose, because well Superdoom is not Superman or something along those lines.
Oh and btw DOS DD was already strong enough to live trough an explosion that could lay waste to 1/5 of a planet. All those showings are under creator of DD Dan Jurgens.
so I don't see your point and YOU haven't answered any of my questions, if you are going to keep along those rude manners and not answer what I am asking you on a debate maybe you should not even engage at all.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
His point about you superfans being ignorant to the power and feats of Marvel characters is sound. Of course you didn't even speak to his point about Hulk's durability feat before you went into supermode.
Well I am aware of Hulks history and surviving planet pushing beams pales in comparasion to Superman surviving Super nova blast from Starbreaker and then getting killed by DD under the same writer. So I see you are being ignorant about that or did you knew that bro?
