Originally posted by carver9
Silver Surfer vs Superman is debatable. That's not what the thread is about though. Surfer would be hellava powerful, the most powerful Herald in DC imo but he will not take Superman place, or Diana. Surfer is a hard character to use imo. Too many powers with no vulnerabilities.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, because when surfer gets overpowered, he automatically resorts to weakness exploitation. Right.
You're not seriously suggesting that Surfer never uses weakness exploitation in a fight do you?
What do you call draining Hulk's gamma energy three times?
Draining and sealing off Super Skaar's Old Power?
Disrupting Vision's internal electrical energies?
Disrupting Wonder Man's internal ionic energies?
Draining Firelord of his cosmic energy
Threatening to down Gladiator with a specific radiation?
Destroying part of Mruungo Muu's power source?
Transmuting away the gills of ancient Atlanteans under water?
Transmuting Amon (who was in semi gaseous form) into liquid?
Surfing the Crunch energies to take down Tenebrous and Aegis?
Those were just off the top of my head. There are more examples.
In that scan, Warrior one outright admits Surfer is more powerful than him but lacks the skill to use that power against him, because you know...Warrior One is the greatest warrior in the known universe according to Surfer's cosmic senses. There's also the scan where Surfer is afraid that the fight between them would cause untold damage to the planet and it's citizens.
That's the dilemma with really powerful heroes. Don't expect them to go full out when there's civilians around.
Originally posted by One-PunchUsing draining isn't weakness exploitation.
You're not seriously suggesting that Surfer never uses weakness exploitation in a fight do you?
What do you call draining Hulk's gamma energy three times?Draining energy? Good luck with that though. Doomsday was leeching power from him and Superman ripped him in half. Same happened with Dr Light.
Draining and sealing off Super Skaar's Old Power?
Disrupting Vision's internal electrical energies?
Disrupting Wonder Man's internal ionic energies?
Draining Firelord of his cosmic energy
Uh, nothing? If I start using what a character said instead of what they actually did, we'd be here all day.
Threatening to down Gladiator with a specific radiation?
Uh, blasting external power source?
Destroying part of Mruungo Muu's power source?
You are not seriously talking about Surfer being able to transmute Superman, do you?
Transmuting away the gills of ancient Atlanteans under water?
Transmuting Amon (who was in semi gaseous form) into liquid?
Suicide.
Surfing the Crunch energies to take down Tenebrous and Aegis?
Gee golly, such a large list of absolutely nothing!!!!!Those were just off the top of my head. There are more examples.
In that scan, Warrior one outright admits Surfer is more powerful than him but lacks the skill to use that power against him, because you know...Warrior One is the greatest warrior in the known universe according to Surfer's cosmic senses. There's also the scan where Surfer is afraid that the fight between them would cause untold damage to the planet and it's citizens.So superman can't punch Surfer now because that's what Warrior one dud to throughly overpower him? Such a great show of skill!!!!!!!
That's the dilemma with really powerful heroes. Don't expect them to go full out when there's civilians around.That's fine and dandy. Except surfer outright admitting he doesn't know how to beat Warrior One y'know.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Using draining isn't weakness exploitation.
Taking advantage of an enemy's vulnerability to energy draining/disruption isn't weakness exploitation? Maybe in your Bizarro world. Regardless, Superman isn't immune to it. If Ulysses can disrupt Superman's energies just by being near him, what do you think Surfer could do if he were to actually try?
Draining energy? Good luck with that though. Doomsday was leeching power from him and Superman ripped him in half. Same happened with Dr Light.
Also, good job ignoring the examples of Surfer disrupting Wonder Man and Vision's internal energies. Let me guess, that doesn't count as weakness exploitation, and we should discount it, right?
Uh, nothing? If I start using what a character said instead of what they actually did, we'd be here all day.
Doesn't matter though, it just another example of Surfer willing to use weakness exploitation, which is what this whole conversation is about, since you strongly implied Surfer rarely uses his powers to exploit weaknesses.
Uh, blasting external power source?
You are not seriously talking about Surfer being able to transmute Superman, do you?
I've given you almost a dozen examples yet you're still in denial, and think Surfer rarely uses weakness exploitation.
Suicide.
Are you starting to see a pattern?
Gee golly, such a large list of absolutely nothing!!!!!
At this point is anyone on this forum still shocked that abhi--who clearly has very deep insecurity issues with Superman--would dismiss all of Surfer's feats? It's almost a running theme now, and not just with Surfer, but with anyone powerful enough to contend with Superman.
So superman can't punch Surfer now because that's what Warrior one dud to throughly overpower him? Such a great show of skill!!!!!!!
All I did was post the context of your scans. I've lost count of how many times I've had to correct your Surfer scans. I've also lost count of how many times others have had to correct your Thor and Hulk scans, and for that matter scans of any other hero (even DC heroes!) that could contend with Superman.
More symptoms of your insecurity with Superman.
That's fine and dandy. Except surfer outright admitting he doesn't know how to beat Warrior One y'know. [/B]
Tell me something, do you think Superman would go all out in a crowded area full of civilians, and with Lois being a dozen meters away?
Originally posted by One-Punch
Taking advantage of an enemy's vulnerability to energy draining/disruption isn't weakness exploitation? Maybe in your Bizarro world. Regardless, Superman isn't immune to it. If Ulysses can disrupt Superman's energies just by being near him, what do you think Surfer could do if he were to actually try?So you're saying Doomsday and Dr. Light are better energy manipulators than Surfer? Prove it.
Also, good job ignoring the examples of Surfer disrupting Wonder Man and Vision's internal energies. Let me guess, that doesn't count as weakness exploitation, and we should discount it, right?
Says the person who never shuts up about statements of Superman being the most powerful being on Earth. I think by now the entire forum knows that you're the king of double-standards, at least when it comes to Superman.
Doesn't matter though, it just another example of Surfer willing to use weakness exploitation, which is what this whole conversation is about, since you strongly implied Surfer rarely uses his powers to exploit weaknesses.
It weakened Mruungo by cutting off a portion of his power didn't it? It was Mruungo's sole vulnerability and Surfer exploited it to win the fight. There's more than one way to exploit weaknesses.
No, just giving you yet another example of weakness exploitation.
I've given you almost a dozen examples yet you're still in denial, and think Surfer rarely uses weakness exploitation.
While taking down two Galactus level beings with him by...wait for it...[b]exploiting their weakness
to the Crunch energies.Are you starting to see a pattern?
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At this point is anyone on this forum still shocked that abhi--who clearly has very deep insecurity issues with Superman--would dismiss all of Surfer's feats? It's almost a running theme now, and not just with Surfer, but with anyone powerful enough to contend with Superman.
Your post doesn't even make sense. Then again, they rarely do.
All I did was post the context of your scans. I've lost count of how many times I've had to correct your Surfer scans. I've also lost count of how many times others have had to correct your Thor and Hulk scans, and for that matter scans of any other hero (even DC heroes!) that could contend with Superman.
More symptoms of your insecurity with Superman.
While minimizing the potential untold damage to the civilians on the planet, including Dawn, the women he loves...
Tell me something, do you think Superman would go all out in a crowded area full of civilians, and with Lois being a dozen meters away? [/B]
Perfect example is you bringing up transmuting the gills of Atlanteans. Funny guy.
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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
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He's gonna move goalposts, bring up red herrings, straw mans, all that good stuff.Perfect example is you bringing up transmuting the gills of Atlanteans. Funny guy.
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At this point I'm not even attempting to change his mind. It's more like cleaning up the mess that he's caused thanks to his ongoing smear campaign of Surfer (and every other hero that can challenge Superman).
Originally posted by One-Punch
Some things never change.At this point I'm not even attempting to change his mind. It's more like cleaning up the mess that he's caused thanks to his ongoing smear campaign of Surfer (and every other hero that can challenge Superman).
They're also almost always riddled with lowballing and hypocrisy..
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