Originally posted by abhilegend
It's called draining. In what world is that supposed to be weakness exploitation?
The same thing which happened to Doomsday.
The closest Surfer analogue in DC (besides Captain Atom) was Ulysses, and not only did he disrupt Superman's energy easily, he outright defeated Superman. The best Superman could manage was a stalemate with his solar flare, which knocked both of them out, and left Superman powerless for 24 hours.
Even you admit Superman's defeat due to energy absorption:
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's the main reason Ulysses beat him because he straight up went to absorb his energies and as he is automatically tuned to his energy, it was easy for him to absorb it.
Energy manipulator, no. Doomsday was a better drainer though. Just by being near, he was killing millions and killed dozens of kryptonians.
All Doomsday did was drain the life force of Earth animals and civilians, and drained a few jets. How does that put him above Surfer? On the contrary, it doesn't
put him anywhere near Surfer in terms of energy draining. And if you're talking about the flashback with Lara/Zod back on Krypton, Doomsday NEVER used
energy draining on any Kyrptonians. If he did, cite it so I can fact-check.
It's counted in energy manipulation. And both Vision and Simon's powers work differently than superman. But nice job using red herrings.😂
Redherring? Abhi, you shouldn't use words you don't understand. It makes you look like an idiot.
Energy manipulation is how Surfer exploits weaknesses... but according to you energy manipulation and energy draining don't count as weakness exploitation.
The fact that Surfer was able to disable Vision and Wonder Man by disrupting their unique internal energies, shows how adept he is at manipulating different types of energies and exploiting energy based weaknesses.
On panel Surfer has manipulated energies like...Gamma energy, ionic energy, electric energy, cosmic energy, crunch energies, psychic energies,
temporal energies, astral energies, magical energies. In fact he's even manipulated...*GASP! solar energy.
And if Ulysses was able to easily mess Superman up with his energy manipulation powers, what do you think Surfer can do? Especially since Surfer is above Ulysses in every category.
Being called the most powerful being and saying I can do something are little different. Think about it.
They're both statements, and according to you statements are worthless....except if it praises Superman. Like I said, king double-standards.
And again, that statement shows it's in-character for Surfer to use weakness exploitation. Surfer outright states he's going to exploit Gladiator's weakness. But according to you that still doesn't count.
So, if it doesn't matter, why bring it up? Please go ahead and say surfer can transmute superman though.
You implied it's not in character for Surfer to use weakness exploitation. I gave you (almost a dozen) examples of him doing so, therefore yes it does matter.
So, are you suggesting Surfer is going to destroy sun to weaken Superman? Because that's only thing applicable with that reasoning here.Where?
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See my above post. I think you're getting lost in your own insecure thoughts of Superman.
That's what makes surfer fans so enjoyable to tear apart. You actually thought those were weakness exploitation?
And based on your own asinine definition of exploiting weaknesses, nothing Surfer does is considered weakness exploitation. Even Surfer stating he would exploit Gladiator's weakness doesn't count toward weakness exploitation.
Like I said, it was a suicide. And a hail Mary. But go ahead and pretend it was something else.
I'm seeing a lot of red herrings. But that's it.
It's cute when a toddler does it, but pathetic when an adult does it.
And where did I dismiss all of surfer's feats? Man, you are good at Red herrings.
Your entire post? Scratch that, more like your entire posting history related to Surfer (and every other hero that can challenge Superman).
Sure, sure.
All you did was getting defensive, just like you always do. What does being told he was the greatest warrior has to being punched into submission anyway?
Posting context is defensive? And even if I were, I'd have every right to be given your long history of context twisting scans.
Repeating yourself now?
That's not what he said. I suggest reading comic again. He beat Doomsday to death in just such a scenario and then again ripped doomsday to half. You don't need to destroy planet to go all out. [/B]
And given all the civilians nearby, including Dawn, even a street destroying blast would be risky, let alone a city or world destroying one. But, that's the type of power that's needed affect Warrior One. That's why Surfer wasn't sure what to do.
Originally posted by One-PunchBeing vulnerable to draining is like being vulnerable to punches. By that token, Surfer is even more vulnerable to draining than Superman because it has happened far more to him than Superman. Its total nonsense to think draining is a vulnerability for Superman, he is vulnerable to magic not energy draining.
Draining someone who's [b]vulnerable to draining isn't weakness exploitation? You're not making any sense.
Doomsday is not in the same league as Surfer when it comes to energy draining and manipulation.So you think Surfer can do this to a whole dimension full of kryptonians?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jJI2glbUUUg/U3yvTTTefXI/AAAAAAADZhU/i_xqhchykA0/s1600/-009.jpg
Please say yes.
The closest Surfer analogue in DC (besides Captain Atom) was Ulysses, and not only did he disrupt Superman's energy easily, he outright defeated Superman.Not really. Surfer don't goes around amped on the energy of an entire planet or starts disrupting energy of top tiers automatically. And Ulysses was amping from the power of the power lines. The first time he tried it, Superman koed him in one punch.
The best Superman could manage was a stalemate with his solar flare, which knocked both of them out, and left Superman powerless for 24 hours.After Ulysses was already amped on the energy of a planet and Superman's own HV and Superman had just survived a planet exploding.
But yeah, solar flare will KO Surfer alright if he would try to absorb Superman's power like Ulysses.
Even you admit Superman's defeat due to energy absorption:But not now, Solar Flare will take care of Surfer if he goes that route. So at best he can do is draw.
^ If Ulysses could easily disrupt and absorb Superman's energy to beat him, why can't Surfer? Especially when Surfer is far above Ulysses in every category.Solar Flare. And no, Surfer isn't far above Ulysses in combat. Surfer doesn't goes around beating high heralds like Superman like that.
Doomsday a superior energy drainer than Surfer? Based on what?Killing a whole dimension full of kryptonians.
All Doomsday did was drain the life force of Earth animals and civilians, and drained a few jets. How does that put him above Surfer? On the contrary, it doesn'tBecause he evolved in Phantom Zone and killed every last kryptonian there. In case you are wondering how powerful they were, a few of them beat the shit out of Phantom Stranger and crucified him.
put him anywhere near Surfer in terms of energy draining. And if you're talking about the flashback with Lara/Zod back on Krypton, Doomsday NEVER used
energy draining on any Kyrptonians. If he did, cite it so I can fact-check.
😂Yeah, typos. Looks like you have never done one.Redherring? Abhi, you shouldn't use words you don't understand. It makes you look like an idiot.
Energy manipulation is how Surfer exploits weaknesses... but according to you energy manipulation and energy draining don't count as weakness exploitation.Punching is how Superman exploit weaknesses to characters' vulnerability to punches. That sounds right to you?
The fact that Surfer was able to disable Vision and Wonder Man by disrupting their unique internal energies, shows how adept he is at manipulating different types of energies and exploiting energy based weaknesses.Yeah, he is a good energy manipulator. Nobody denies that. Its not a game changer against people like Superman though, who have control over their energies.
On panel Surfer has manipulated energies like...Gamma energy, ionic energy, electric energy, cosmic energy, crunch energies, psychic energies,Good for him. If he goes that route, he gets a good dose of solar flare right in his face and its good night for him.
temporal energies, astral energies, magical energies. In fact he's even manipulated...*GASP! solar energy.
And if Ulysses was able to easily mess Superman up with his energy manipulation powers, what do you think Surfer can do? Especially since Surfer is above Ulysses in every category.Get koed by solar flare? That's like asking like if Thor can oneshot him or Warlock can oneshot him, imagine Superman punching him?
They're both statements, and according to you statements are worthless....except if it praises Superman. Like I said, king double-standards.Not exactly. One is describing and comparing characters' power level. One is simply a character saying something.
And again, that statement shows it's in-character for Surfer to use weakness exploitation. Surfer outright states he's going to exploit Gladiator's weakness. But according to you that still doesn't count.Surfer said he knows the radiation weakness of Gladiator and can down him. The way even skrulls know it, its not hard for him to know about it. That's not what he can do here though.
You implied it's not in character for Surfer to use weakness exploitation. I gave you (almost a dozen) examples of him doing so, therefore yes it does matter.You gave, what you think is weakness exploitation. Unfortunately for you, comics don't take those as weakness exploitation.
😐Are you sure you aren't stuck in a time loop where all you can do is repeat yourself?See my above post. I think you're getting lost in your own insecure thoughts of Superman.
The only thing you've "torn" down is your own credibility, or whatever is left of it. 😂facepalm
And based on your own asinine definition of exploiting weaknesses, nothing Surfer does is considered weakness exploitation. Even Surfer stating he would exploit Gladiator's weakness doesn't count toward weakness exploitation.If he had actually done it? Yes, it would've been counted. Saying=/=doing.
Doesn't matter, it was still a perfect example of Surfer exploiting Tenebrous and Aegis's weakness to the Crunch. Despite all these examples, you still deny that it's in-character for Surfer to exploit weaknesses.So you think Surfer going all suicid-y to take down T&A after he got his ass handed to him is a good example to bring here? So Superman leaves him broken on a moon and surfer figures out something after getting his ass raped? Good for me bro.
You remind me of a two-year old who's just learnt a new word. Loves to repeat the word it all the time, but doesn't know what the hell it means. 😂Yeah, its getting pathetic from you. But don't worry, I'll not judge you.It's cute when a toddler does it, but pathetic when an adult does it.
Your entire post? Scratch that, more like your entire posting history related to Surfer (and every other hero that can challenge Superman).And here we go again. But let me guess, according to you Surfer will just defeat Superman without any problems and he is just above Superman in every way, right?
Your posts don't make sense, and I'm not the only one who thinks this.I don't really care about what stupid people think about me.
Posting context is defensive? And even if I were, I'd have every right to be given your long history of context twisting scans.Yeah, right. We will call it context. Whatever makes you happy bro.
It's the truth. Your insecurity with Superman is so enormous it's affecting your thinking. I recommend some therapy and a long break from Superman comics.Thanks Dr. Phil.
Surfer stated he was afraid that the fight between them would cause untold damage to Planet Prime and it's civilians. Warrior One on the other hand didn't give a crap about the collateral damage. That's a big advantage for Warrior One. Plus, Surfer didn't want to kill Warrior One either, since he was Planet Prime's equivalent of a cop. You can't compare Doomsday--a mindless killing machine which had to be stopped at all costs--to an overzealous cosmic cop. 😂Yup, ignoring what comic said outright. Good going bro.
And given all the civilians nearby, including Dawn, even a street destroying blast would be risky, let alone a city or world destroying one. But, that's the type of power that's needed affect Warrior One. That's why Surfer wasn't sure what to do. [/B]Yeah, make some more excuses while you are at it. But that's what surfer fans always do and always will. Its kinda amusing actually.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Being vulnerable to draining is like being vulnerable to punches. By that token, Surfer is even more vulnerable to draining than Superman because it has happened far more to him than Superman. Its total nonsense to think draining is a vulnerability for Superman, he is vulnerable to magic not energy draining.
Hulk for example: punching Hulk doesn't work, blasting Hulk doesn't work, cutting Hulk doesn't work, but draining Hulk? Worked almost instantly when Surfer did it. That's what I call a vulnerability and it applies to Superman.
If Ulysses can disrupt Superman's powers just by standing near him, it's clearly a vulnerability. You even stated the only reason Ulysses beat Superman was because of energy disruption and energy absorption.
Surfer is better than Ulysses in both those categories.
So you think Surfer can do this to a whole dimension full of kryptonians?http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jJI2glbUUUg/U3yvTTTefXI/AAAAAAADZhU/i_xqhchykA0/s1600/-009.jpg
Please say yes.
I asked you for draining feats from Doomsday that put him above Surfer, and you give me this random scan of the Phantom Zone, that has nothing to do with energy draining?
I'll ask again: do you have draining feats from Doomsday that put him above Surfer?
Oh, thanks for providing a real example of a red herring: you posting an irrelevant scan to try to distract from answering my question.
Not really. Surfer don't goes around amped on the energy of an entire planet or starts disrupting energy of top tiers automatically. And Ulysses was amping from the power of the power lines. The first time he tried it, Superman koed him in one punch. After Ulysses was already amped on the energy of a planet and Superman's own HV and Superman had just survived a planet exploding.
Here are the facts: Surfer is a better energy manipulator and absorber than Ulysses based off of feats. He can and has accomplished things far greater than Ulysses.
You really enjoy exaggerating feats in favor of Superman don't you?
Ulysses wasn't amping off his planet when he first beat Superman, he did that at the very end when his home planet was destroyed. Amping off powerlines doesn't put Ulysses above Surfer. Superman never KO'd Ulysses in one punch. And no, Ulysses did not tank his planet exploding. Superman flew them off the planet before the explosion caught them.
But yeah, solar flare will KO Surfer alright if he would try to absorb Superman's power like Ulysses.
Not only is Surfer a better energy manipulator than Ulysses, he's more durable and is extremely resistant to solar heat and heat based attacks:
He's surfed super novas, been at the center of stars unfazed, and he no sold Korvac's blast which would've incinerated a planet.
Superman's solar flare incinerated a section of a forest...
Puts things into perspective.
But not now, Solar Flare will take care of Surfer if he goes that route. So at best he can do is draw.
Solar Flare. And no, Surfer isn't far above Ulysses in combat. Surfer doesn't goes around beating high heralds like Superman like that.
Okay so let me get this straight...
Ulysses has only like 7 appearances. According to you, that one feat of beating Superman puts Ulysses above Surfer, despite Surfer's 40+ years of combat feats?
I knew you loved low-balling Surfer, but this is an all-time low for you.
Killing a whole dimension full of kryptonians.
Where does it say he drained these Kryptonians? In fact, where does it say he killed an entire dimension full of Kryptonians? Cite the book and issue number so I can fact-check.
Because he evolved in Phantom Zone and killed every last kryptonian there. In case you are wondering how powerful they were, a few of them beat the shit out of Phantom Stranger and crucified him.
I asked for energy draining feats from Doomsday. You still haven't provided a single draining feat that would put Doomsday near Surfer, let alone above Surfer like you initially claimed.
You claimed Superman resisted Doomsday's energy draining, then claimed Doomsday is a better energy drainer than Surfer. PROVE IT.
In fact I read Superman: Doomed. Doomsday never even attempted to directly drain Superman. It was his toxin was the real issue.
Yeah, typos. Looks like you have never done one.
You're passing off your misuse of a fallacy as a typo? 😂
Not buying it. Don't throw around fallacies or terms that you don't understand.
Punching is how Superman exploit weaknesses to characters' vulnerability to punches. That sounds right to you?
Energy manipulation has a very broad range of effects, and Surfer uses it for weakness exploitation when simple punching or blasting doesn't work.
in Silver Surfer: In They Name, Surfer encountered a monster that he couldn't damage physically. So he attacked its weak point astrally, and one-shot killed it. That monster was invulnerable to physical attacks, but extremely weak to astral blasts.
This is just another example of weakness exploitation.
Yeah, he is a good energy manipulator. Nobody denies that. Its not a game changer against people like Superman though, who have control over their energies.
Energy manipulation gave Ulysses an advantage against Superman, in fact he dominated Superman in their first fight thanks to it. I don't see why it wouldn't give Surfer an advantage either, who's more powerful than Ulysses.
Good for him. If he goes that route, he gets a good dose of solar flare right in his face and its good night for him.Get koed by solar flare? That's like asking like if Thor can oneshot him or Warlock can oneshot him, imagine Superman punching him?
It's not guaranteed at all to KO Surfer, given Surfer's durability feats to heat based attacks.
Not exactly. One is describing and comparing characters' power level. One is simply a character saying something.
They're both statements, and you said statements are pointless, yet...
You're more than happy to accept statements of Superman's power, but dismiss statements of Martian Man-hunter's power all the time.
It's yet another example of your double-standards. Statements praising Superman count, all other statements don't. 🙄
Surfer said he knows the radiation weakness of Gladiator and can down him. The way even skrulls know it, its not hard for him to know about it. That's not what he can do here though.
You gave, what you think is weakness exploitation. Unfortunately for you, comics don't take those as weakness exploitation.
So you think Surfer going all suicid-y to take down T&A after he got his ass handed to him is a good example to bring here? So Superman leaves him broken on a moon and surfer figures out something after getting his ass raped? Good for me bro.
Like I said, Surfer used the crunch energies to kill T&A because he knew they were weak to it. Again, I'm just showing that it's in-character for Surfer to exploit weaknesses.
Yeah, its getting pathetic from you. But don't worry, I'll not judge you.
And here we go again. But let me guess, according to you Surfer will just defeat Superman without any problems and he is just above Superman in every way, right?
I don't really care about what stupid people think about me.
Yeah, right. We will call it context. Whatever makes you happy bro.
Yup, ignoring what comic said outright. Good going bro.Yeah, make some more excuses while you are at it. But that's what surfer fans always do and always will. Its kinda amusing actually.
Not my fault the actual context doesn't support you.
Originally posted by One-PunchThe same can be said to energy draining too. Characters don't have automatic weakness to draining.
Except characters can be resistant to physical damage, but weak to energy draining. This is especially true for beings whose powers are derived from energy, Surfer is no exception.
Hulk for example: punching Hulk doesn't work, blasting Hulk doesn't work, cutting Hulk doesn't work, but draining Hulk? Worked almost instantly when Surfer did it.Except it only worked once in silver age when hulk was drastically weaker than he is today. In fact Surfer koed him then with a simple board attack. In IH 250, Surfer was massively amped by gamma bomb and in SS 125, hulk was dying and weakened. So, no it doesn't always instantly work on hulk. In fact he looked better than Surfer against both Rulk and Armaggeddon in draining resistance.
That's what I call a vulnerability and it applies to Superman.It doesn't. But I doubt it will change your mind. Agree to disagree.
If Ulysses can disrupt Superman's powers just by [b]standing near him, it's clearly a vulnerability.Or ulysses is just a better energy manipulator than every other energy manipulators Superman has tangled with like Captain Atom or Green Lantern. You think ANY energy manipulator will disrupt Superman's energy if he just stands there.
You even stated the only reason Ulysses beat Superman was because of energy disruption and energy absorption.Yeah, I did. Your point is?
Surfer is better than Ulysses in both those categories.Then show me Surfer disrupting a top tier being's energy by just standing around. Should be easy for you, right?
I asked you for draining feats from Doomsday that put him above Surfer, and you give me this random scan of the Phantom Zone, that has nothing to do with energy draining?He drained and killed everyone in the phantom zone off panel if you didn't know. Only Mongul and Zod/Non/Faora remained off thousands of kryptonians.
I'll ask again: do you have draining feats from Doomsday that put him above Surfer?I just gave you.
Oh, thanks for providing a real example of a red herring: you posting an irrelevant scan to try to distract from answering my question.Just because you think its a red herring doesn't makes it one.
Surfer can and has disrupted and absorbed energy from multiple top tiers. I've already provided a list, but you've dismissed all of them, like you always do.Only Hulk is a top tier in those lists and he has only done it once in normal circumstances. In both IH 250 and SS 125, context was involved.
Here are the facts: Surfer is a better energy manipulator and absorber than Ulysses based off of feats. He can and has accomplished things far greater than Ulysses.Oh now we're arguing about feats against a character who has only appeared in 5 issues till now?
You really enjoy exaggerating feats in favor of Superman don't you?Facts are facts bro.
Ulysses wasn't amping off his planet when he first beat Superman, he did that at the very end when his home planet was destroyed. Amping off powerlines doesn't put Ulysses above Surfer.Ah, it came again. So a superman level being amping doesn't puts Ulysses at Surfer level. Superman is what level then?
Superman never KO'd Ulysses in one punch.Really?
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Must be sleeping there. Heck, it wasn't even a punch, Superman just shoved him hard.
And no, Ulysses did not tank his planet exploding. Superman flew them off the planet before the explosion caught them.Looked like they couldn't run from it.
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Great durability showing for both as Geoff Johns doesn't shows top tiers taking planet busting attacks.
I highly doubt that solar flare would KO surfer.Of course you do. Just take it this way, a planet exploding didn't KO a weaker Ulysses. Even omega beams couldn't destroy Superman's costume. Solar Flare did better than both.
Not only is Surfer a better energy manipulator than Ulysses, he's more durable and is extremely resistant to solar heat and heat based attacks:Now, we are back to random feats and red herrings. Is Superman on Surfer's level? Yes or No.
He's surfed super novas, been at the center of stars unfazed, and he no sold Korvac's blast which would've incinerated a planet.Superman has better feats of durability. A younger Superman survived attacks from Vyndtkvx which destroyed 250 planets instantly.
Superman's solar flare incinerated a section of a forest...As if collateral damage is indication of power. Odin killed Surtur and himself in a blast that didn't even singed the street below. I bet Surfer can kill both, right?Puts things into perspective.
See above.For what? Jokes?
😂No, it puts him right at Surfer's level. Unless you think Superman is not at Surfer's level either.Okay so let me get this straight...
Ulysses has only like 7 appearances. According to you, that one feat of beating Superman puts Ulysses above Surfer, despite Surfer's 40+ years of combat feats?
I knew you loved low-balling Surfer, but this is an all-time low for you.For what? Comparing combat feats?
Where does it say he drained these Kryptonians? In fact, where does it say he killed an entire dimension full of Kryptonians? Cite the book and issue number so I can fact-check.Batman Superman 11. Go read it.
I asked for energy draining feats from Doomsday. You still haven't provided a single draining feat that would put Doomsday near Surfer, let alone above Surfer like you initially claimed.I ask again, are you in a time loop?
You claimed Superman resisted Doomsday's energy draining, then claimed Doomsday is a better energy drainer than Surfer. PROVE IT.Do you think Surfer can kill thousands of kryptonians?
In fact I read Superman: Doomed. Doomsday never even attempted to directly drain Superman. It was his toxin was the real issue.Are you ****ing kidding me? Lex outright said that it was only trying to drain Superman since he was the greatest source of power in the galaxy and Superman was unable to even stand up after he killed Doomsday.
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Do you think he passed out for lulz?
You're passing off your misuse of a fallacy as a typo? 😂Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Not buying it. Don't throw around fallacies or terms that you don't understand.See if I give a damn about what you think.
Energy manipulation has a very broad range of effects, and Surfer uses it for weakness exploitation when simple punching or blasting doesn't work.Like when?
in Silver Surfer: In They Name, Surfer encountered a monster that he couldn't damage physically. So he attacked its weak point astrally, and one-shot killed it. That monster was invulnerable to physical attacks, but extremely weak to astral blasts.The creature wasn't vulnerable to psychic attacks. Surfer was more powerful on astral plane.
This is just another example of weakness exploitation.
facepalm
Energy manipulation gave Ulysses an advantage against Superman, in fact he dominated Superman in their first fight thanks to it. I don't see why it wouldn't give Surfer an advantage either, who's more powerful than Ulysses.In his first fight, Superman oneshotted Ulysses. But hey, can I bring up Thor oneshotting surfer here?
So Superman's only counter to Surfer's energy manipulation is to kamikaze solar flare, depowering and knocking himself out in the process?Its not a heat based attack. And Firelord has koed Surfer with heat attacks alright. Three times actually.It's not guaranteed at all to KO Surfer, given Surfer's durability feats to heat based attacks.
They're both statements, and you said statements are pointless, yet...Not really. But like I said, you seem to be stuck in a time loop.
You're more than happy to accept statements of Superman's power, but dismiss statements of Martian Man-hunter's power all the time.Are we seriously comparing Superman and J'onn now? And pray tell me, what statements of J'onn have I ignored?
It's yet another example of your double-standards. Statements praising Superman count, all other statements don't. 🙄Oh, right. Its just another "You are so biased" rant.
I only brought up Surfer's statement of exploiting Gladiator's weakness to show that it's in-character for him to do so.It is not. He actually fought Krosakis with Gladiator's power and didn't use any weakness exploitation.
Yes, according to you, abhlegend: the most balanced and non-biased poster in comicdom.Abhlegend? Is that a new guy around here?
Like I said, Surfer used the crunch energies to kill T&A because he knew they were weak to it. Again, I'm just showing that it's in-character for Surfer to exploit weaknesses.No, he just remembered what Galactus said to him and made a hail mary after getting nearly killed. If it was in character for him, it wouldn't have come to him after getting nearly killed.
Me pathetic? You're the one who tried to cover up your ignorance of what a "red herring" is by pretending it was a typo. This is what happens when you use words you don't understand. 😆Oh right. Great vince doesn't knows what typos are. Tell me again who abhlegend is?
No, I'm just saying energy manipulation would give Surfer an edge against Superman, just like how it gave Ulysses the edge when he defeated Superman.And got his ass koed by a weakened Superman in return? But I like how you're using Ulysses as a parameter for Surfer to win but wouldn't count his loss as Surfer is automatically above him. Great logic right there.
So you don't care what you think of yourself?No, just surfer fans in particular.
Unlike you I don't twist and misinterpret the context.Right. Tell me again how Doomsday wasn't draining Superman.
I practically quoted the comic.By interjecting your own words in between? Nope.
Not my fault the actual context doesn't support you. [/B]Actually, it does. But you always live in denial.
Originally posted by Naija boy
lol, that was truly a cringeworthy display of ignorance/backpedalling
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