Emperor Vitiate vs SOR Revan and ROTS Anakin

Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]Oh and RotS Anakin was sooooooo much further away from the darkside than Revan and Malak, right? It took so much effort to turn that guy. Minds a ****ing fortress. >:]

Blowing up a planet and reading Sith manuscripts and holocrons>>>>>Killing a man responsible for mutilation of ones own body and genocide.

So yes. This also isn't on Droumund Kaas at the center of the Emperor's power. This is on ****ing Naboo.

That Revan was able to resist Malachor already proves that he has a stronger mind that Spazwalker. Vitiate didn't just corrupt them, he domin8ed their minds as well. So no way is Anakin stronger than Revan and Malak combined. Remember that Vitiate got even stronger after the book too. At the very best it'll require some actual effort for him to break him, unlike Revan and Malak, but I highly doubt it.

Vitiate may have gotten stronger, but he's no longer on Dromund Kaas. Also Sidious corrupted Anakin because they were essentially best friends, he knew all of his weaknesses, all of his deepest secrets and what things would make him fall to the dark side. Anakin told Palpatine things he didn't even tell Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Blowing up a planet and reading Sith manuscripts and holocrons>>>>>Killing a man responsible for mutilation of ones own body and genocide.

So yes. This also isn't on Droumund Kaas at the center of the Emperor's power. This is on ****ing Naboo.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Vitiate may have gotten stronger, but he's no longer on Dromund Kaas. Also Sidious corrupted Anakin because they were essentially best friends, he knew all of his weaknesses, all of his deepest secrets and what things would make him fall to the dark side. Anakin told Palpatine things he didn't even tell Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Blowing up a planet and reading Sith manuscripts and holocrons>>>>>Killing a man responsible for mutilation of ones own body and genocide.

So yes. This also isn't on Droumund Kaas at the center of the Emperor's power. This is on ****ing Naboo.

Murdering children (on more than one occasion) >>>>> Murdering child murderers. The fact is that Revan needed to be forcibly turned evil while Anakin just needed an excuse. Regardless, both of them are teetering on the edge of the darkside, it doesn't matter who was closer.

Vitiate is stronger than he was when he turned Revan and Malak and as I pointed out, theres two of them versus just one psycho.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Vitiate may have gotten stronger, but he's no longer on Dromund Kaas. Also Sidious corrupted Anakin because they were essentially best friends, he knew all of his weaknesses, all of his deepest secrets and what things would make him fall to the dark side. Anakin told Palpatine things he didn't even tell Obi-Wan.

Whereas Vitiate will literally be inside Anakin's head. Vitiate's powers of corruption are said to be capable of dominating the strongest of Jedi and while you can suggest that Anakin is TOO STRONK all you want, he's also a complete lunatic and on the edge of darkness already. Revan showed that he was highly resistant to corruption previously, whereas Anakin has repeatedly given into his rage and hate and has terrible self-control. It only took a push from Sidious, a shove from Vitiate will obviously be sufficient.

Revan and Malak were already masters of the dark side by the time Vitiate "corrupted them".
Even by SWTOR accounts, they describe Revan being on the brink of becoming a Sith Lord anyway.
I cover this in my Darth Revan blog here: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/the-power-of-darth-revan-overview/103361/.

YOURE NOT HELPING ANT. awestun

LOL

Originally posted by Nephthys
YOURE NOT HELPING ANT. awestun

Darth Malak was seemingly not that corrupted by the time Vitiate converted him to his cause - unlike Revan. Very few accounts point to Malak truly embracing the dark side as much as Revan, like when they first come across Dantooine's Star Map. It can be debated Revan corrupted him upon releasing Malachor V's energies upon his fleets, but no source specifically points to his corruption at this state to a degree of other Jedi present. The point of all this is Darth Malak later goes on to have two immensely insane mental resistance feats that outstrips anything Anakin ever did. First we got him and Revan walking on Nathema, which creates a sensation of discorporating even powerful Jedi into trillions of subatomic particles that would scatter across the entire surface of Nathema, for days or maybe even weeks. Then we got Darth Malak resisting the power of the Star Forge, a feat only Revan could do in its thousands of years of creation. The ancient Rakata, who were masters of the Force, failed to resist its dark energies, as did the ancient Sith Lords like Ajunta Pall. It was said only one who is "immensely strong in mind" can resist the Star Forge without having "them be devoured, their life drained from them as they attempt to tap into its power." Yet despite all this, Vitiate corrupted him pretty quickly. Cool stuff, amiright? (;

Yes this pleases me. I will hold off. On killing you Ant-slave.

Pft, I'll dismantle your argument if you piss me off. Don't forget that.

I did that out of generosity and Malak hype, not for your satisfaction.

Oh and I been waiting for the opportunity for a while now to resurrect the fact Ajunta Pall and friends were corrupted by the Star Forge. 👆

What does Pall have to do with anything?

Him and the other ancient Sith were hyped to be immensely powerful - yet greatly inferior to Malak's mental resistance - in which Anakin's is inferior too. 😉

When did they find the Star Forge?

"It... we were not the first to fall to the dark side. But we... had more power than those before us. It... came from elsewhere... Our oldest secret. Only... only we would know, we lords. Only we would know where our power came from... The Force bristles in you... you must find this place with it... Or... have you? Or did you? Or... will you? Oh, so... many images... I... see your heart, human Jedi. I see your power, your pride. So much power. It's blinding... You... you will find the old place, the dark place... and you will regret it."

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan and Malak were already masters of the dark side by the time Vitiate "corrupted them".
Even by SWTOR accounts, they describe Revan being on the brink of becoming a Sith Lord anyway.
I cover this in my Darth Revan blog here: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/the-power-of-darth-revan-overview/103361/.

Concession accepted Neph 😆

Also you did not just ****ing say that Anakin killing a single sand people village is equivalent to Revan destroying an entire goddamned planet?

His argument may (well, were) have been false for Revan - but his reasoning for Malak stands strong in proud (as I did my little post on).

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
His argument may (well, were) have been false for Revan - but his reasoning for Malak stands strong in proud (as I did my little post on).

Please. Malak was absolute trash at that point. Didn't he lose to a non-force sensitive in the KOTOR comic series? He does not even remotely compare to Anakin in terms of skill or power. Not to mention he's not the most strong willed of individuals until he becomes DLOTS

He lost to Mandalore - the most powerful Mandalorian of the time - before he even became Malak. 😬
Malak's Nathema feat was before Vitiate's corruption, and his Star Forge feat would have began shortly after.

Anakin vs Vitiate is the worst matchup ever. Unless Revan has time to teach Ani how to resist the TP attacks of Vitiate, the team loses.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Whereas Vitiate will literally be inside Anakin's head. Vitiate's powers of corruption are said to be capable of dominating the strongest of Jedi and while you can suggest that Anakin is TOO STRONK all you want, he's also a complete lunatic and on the edge of darkness already. Revan showed that he was highly resistant to corruption previously, whereas Anakin has repeatedly given into his rage and hate and has terrible self-control. It only took a push from Sidious, a shove from Vitiate will obviously be sufficient.

Vitiate cannot infiltrate anyone's mind at any point. Scourge lied to his face several times in the Revan novel and lied to him for 300 years even after a ritual in which the Emperor touched his mind. He cannot lol mind control/ lol mind read anyone. So get this no limits fallacy bullshit out of here.

Additionally Revan needs only put Vitiate on his ass in order to stop the mind domination. Do you think Scourge is harder to dominate than Anakin?