Originally posted by Lord Stark
My point is that if Meetra Scourge and Revan wouldn't give him the chance to use the ability, why would Revan and Anakin. That being said I do concede that if Vitiate gets the chance to use it Anakin falls to it.
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Yes, but that's why I said the separation and readiness matter in this one. If they're significantly apart and Vitiate knows what's up, he could dominate Anakin's mind before Revan has the chance to act.
I'm a KotOR fan, not really a SWTOR fan. 😉
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Final thought before I leave: Now thinking about it, I think Vitiate didn't read Scourge's mind on purpose. Revan noted that when Vitiate looked in his mind, he was able to look back in Vitiate's and see his terribleness and evilness. I doubt Vitiate would want to comprise Scourge's loyalty by him "discovering" what he planned for the galaxy - total annihilation.
I'm out though, night!
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Sorry babe. If it makes you feel better - here:Darth Malak was seemingly not that corrupted by the time Vitiate converted him to his cause - unlike Revan. Very few accounts point to Malak truly embracing the dark side as much as Revan, like when they first come across Dantooine's Star Map. It can be debated Revan corrupted him upon releasing Malachor V's energies upon his fleets, but no source specifically points to his corruption at this state to a degree of other Jedi present. The point of all this is Darth Malak later goes on to have two immensely insane mental resistance feats that outstrips anything Anakin ever did. First we got him and Revan walking on Nathema, which creates a sensation of discorporating even powerful Jedi into trillions of subatomic particles that would scatter across the entire surface of Nathema, for days or maybe even weeks. Then we got Darth Malak resisting the power of the Star Forge, a feat only Revan could do in its thousands of years of creation. The ancient Rakata, who were masters of the Force, failed to resist its dark energies, as did the ancient Sith Lords like Ajunta Pall. It was said only one who is "immensely strong in mind" can resist the Star Forge without having "them be devoured, their life drained from them as they attempt to tap into its power." Yet despite all this, Vitiate corrupted him pretty quickly. Cool stuff, amiright? (;
Over 300 years ago, the great Jedi heroes Revan and Malak stumbled upon long-hidden Sith Empire's capital of Dromund Kaas, and its ruler - a mysterious, almost godlike avatar of the dark side. They argued briefly over whether to alert the Republic and Jedi Council, but Revan was already too consumed by arrogance and anger to consider the possibility of defeat. By the time Revan and Malak approached the Emperor in his throne room, they were already at the precipice of the dark side. It took only a fraction of the Emperor's loathsome power to complete their fall. The Jedi succumbed utterly to the Sith leader's domination and returned to the Republic to spark a new conflict: the Jedi Civil War.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Vitiate broke both Revan and Malak with barely an effort. 😎
Originally posted by Selenial
Oh right. That's hardly him saying the HOT was better than the company he had though, or that he could have won with just the HOT.Obviously a good accolade, but the notion Revan+HOT(2) would beat Vitiate based on that statement is flawed.
Probably. But if you want to over-analyze, Revan did say that he'd have loved to have the JK "by his side," not "providing backup" like what Surik and Scourge were doing.
So that sort of implies that HoT (2) would have been closer to Revan Reborn in power than Exile or Scourge at that time. Which makes sense considering her feats.
And remember we are talking about SOR Revan here and not Revan Reborn, the former of which has the edge on the latter I'd think.
So if HoT (2) is stronger than Exile or Scourge, it's not out of the question that SOR Revan w/ HoT (2), or Anakin for that matter, would be able to take down Vitiate. HoT(2) would just need Revan's help to block the mental domination that did her in during Act II.
I'm pretty sure Revan meant that he'd want HoT alongside himself with Meetra and Scourge, (well, maybe not Scourge since he was a traitor.) So basically it would have been Revan + Meetra + HoT (2) + potentially Scourge versus Vitiate. And while this is SOR Revan, this is also 3.0 Vitiate, who is universally noted to be far and away above SOR Revan.
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
I wonder how is Vitiate going to die. I really hope they don't turn his death into a ****ing Flashpoint like they originally did with Revan and Malgus. It's stupid, a bad ending, and it just makes it all the more confusing when attempting to analyse or debate his skills and powers.
In terms of skill/power ending them in a flashpoint actually makes sense. There are four classes per side so canonically, each flashpoint is completed by HoT/Barsen/Smugs/BH and their analogues on the Sith side.
That's a formidable team who could most definitely pose a threat to weakened Revan by the end of their respective Act IIs, or old Malgus at the ends of their class stories.
As for Vitiate, he's like Bioware's Sargeras, if ya'll get the WoW reference. They'll keep teasing him for as long as the game survives, then will release his operation or flashpoint in the last expansion to get one final boost in sales.
Until then, we still need to deal with Revan Reborn 2.0 (face it he'll become a raid boss, he's like Bioware's Arthas/Lich King), and all of the Empire/Republic leaders who will undoubtedly become raid bosses themselves at one point XD
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I'm pretty sure Revan meant that he'd want HoT alongside himself with Meetra and Scourge, (well, maybe not Scourge since he was a traitor.) So basically it would have been Revan + Meetra + HoT (2) + potentially Scourge versus Vitiate. And while this is SOR Revan, this is also 3.0 Vitiate, who is universally noted to be far and away above SOR Revan.
You're probably right, I just like speculating.
What Revan needs is a power boost, which I think he got when his two souls re-combined. Now, hopefully, he'll do some training and find a way to counter Vitiate.
Then, whenever we face Vitiate, he'll join the operation or flashpoint and tank all of the Emperor's deadliest attacks while we whittle down his HP as best we can.