Originally posted by Col. Valerian
I seriously doubt Vitiate would struggle to dominate RotS Anakin's mind.The asteroid in ANH that C3 "The Professor" P0 brilliantly points out to be 'not entirely unstable' is more ****ing stable than Anakin's mind in RotS.
Vitiate dominates his mind and then orders his new minion to kill Revan.
Revan puts Vitiate on his ass before he can do that to Scourge or Meetra though.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Revan puts Vitiate on his ass before he can do that to Scourge or Meetra though.
Depends on separation and readiness. How far apart do they stand at the beginning of the fight and do they know what they're up against?
Does he? I don't clearly remember that part from the book.
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Depends on separation and readiness. How far apart do they stand at the beginning of the fight and do they know what they're up against?Does he? I don't clearly remember that part from the book.
As I remember it Vitiate tries to mind**** Revan and he does what amounts to a glorified force push.
"As Meetra and Scourge battled the Guard, Revan charged toward the Emperor. His opponent stood perfectly still, focusing and channeling his power. At the last possible instant, the Emperor unleashed a wave of energy that swept Revan off his feet and sent him flying backward.
Revan twisted in midair so that he was able to roll with the impact when he landed. He quickly sprang back to his feet and advanced again, moving more slowly this time. The Emperor stood in the exact same position as before; it was as if he hadn't even moved. Revan began to sense the oppressive presence of the dark side weighing down on him. The Emperor was trying to crush his will: to dominate and enslave his mind as he had before. This time, however, Revan was ready.
Instead of charging forward, he opened himself up to the Force, letting both the light and the dark side flow through him like twin rushing rivers. But instead of focusing or channeling the Force, he released it in its purest form.
There was brilliant flash as the air between the two combatants lit up. The energy unleashed was powerful enough to send Revan staggering. The Emperor, unprepared and with much of his strength diverted to his effort to dominate Revan's mind, was sent flying backward.
He landed in a heap on the floor and Revan raced toward him. The Emperor rolled over, lifted himself up on one knee, and his hands flew forward as he hurtled a bolt if dark side lightning at his enemy.
Revan intercepted the bolt with the blade of his lightsaber, though the impact stopped his charge dead in its tracks.
The Emperor unleashed three more bolts in quick succession. Revan batted the first aside with his lightsaber, ducked the second, then deflected the third back in the direction of its source.
It struck the Emperor in its chest, sending him sliding several meters back on the floor. For the first time the Sith's emotionless veneer cracked as he let out a primal hiss of hate.The sound sent shivers down Revan's spine."
―Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
That proves Vitiate wasn't even trying to dominate Scourge's or Meetra's mind.
There are visions Scourge has with Vitiate dead at their feet. Do you seriously think Vitiate never once would try and mind **** them?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vitiate mind****ed Scourge earlier in the book with a mere telepathic brush.
And yet could not read the obvious treason he was hatching...for 300 years.
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+Qui-Gon would never let Anakin get mind ****ed and he's >>>>Master Orgus excellent
Originally posted by Lord Stark
There are visions Scourge has with Vitiate dead at their feet. Do you seriously think Vitiate never once would try and mind **** them?And yet could not read the obvious treason he was hatching...for 300 years.
Those visions don't mean much tho. They don't tell us what (could've) happened during the actual fight.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's a different Force power all together, though.
They seem pretty directly correlated.
Those visions don't mean much tho. They don't tell us what (could've) happened during the actual fight.
They tell us Vitiate didn't have the chance to use it. Its pretty clear using that ability leaves him open to attack. Revan won't give him the chance.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Considering Revan faced and survived Vitiate's greatest attack, a victory for the team was possible - definitely.
True. I'm just saying we can't possibly know the circumstances of that would-be fight. We can't know if Vitiate would've used his mental domination powers on Scourge and Meetra, or if he wouldn't have enough time to do so during the fight, etc.
But yes, I'd agree that the three of them would've been able to defeat him. Too bad Scourge had to **** things up and stab Meetra.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
They seem pretty directly correlated.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
They seem pretty directly correlated.They tell us Vitiate didn't have the chance to use it. Its pretty clear using that ability leaves him open to attack. Revan won't give him the chance.
Yes, but that's why I said the separation and readiness matter in this one. If they're significantly apart and Vitiate knows what's up, he could dominate Anakin's mind before Revan has the chance to act.
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
True. I'm just saying we can't possibly know the circumstances of that would-be fight. We can't know if Vitiate would've used his mental domination powers on Scourge and Meetra, or if he wouldn't have enough time to do so during the fight, etc.But yes, I'd agree that the three of the would've been able to defeat him. Too bad Scourge had to **** things up and stab Meetra.
My point is that if Meetra Scourge and Revan wouldn't give him the chance to use the ability, why would Revan and Anakin. That being said I do concede that if Vitiate gets the chance to use it Anakin falls to it.