Originally posted by juggerman
Couple of things here:1. It was SSJ2 Vegeta not Gohan.
2. SSJ3 Goku was not "on par" with Janemba. Janemba was clearly superior.
3. You have no idea if that was Gogeta's "strongest attck". It was his "ONLY" attack that we saw. Unless you have actual proof it was his strongest attack, that's a baseless claim.
4. There are many reasons the earrings can be considered "vastly superior to that silly dance" without it creating a stronger fighter:
a) The dance is more time consuming
b) The dance can be interrupted much more easily
c) The dance can be performed incorrectly resulting in a poor fighter
d) The users of the earrings don't have to have an even PL
e) The earrings don't have a time limit.
And 5. That "rivialry boost" could occur with the dance as well, but even if not, there is no indication it boosts them over the SSJ multipliers.
1. Yeah, that was a typing error, at the beginning. I meant to say SSJ2 Vegeta, not SSJ2 Gohan.
2. Um, yes, but not to the point where SSJ3 Goku had no chance against Janemba. He struggled against Janemba, and even overcame him a FEW times. He was clearly CLOSE to being as strong as Janemba. I mean, do you think that SSJ3 Goku, teamed up with SSJ2 Vegeta could have beaten him? Because it's pretty apparent that they could have, even though they could both sense how strong he was, and were still confident enough to fight him. Not to mention that even Vegeta managed to tag him several times. Goku said that he and Vegeta "together", meaning working in tandem, fighting him 2 V 1, would have had "no chance". This would put Super Buu in BASE VASTLY above the SSJ3 Goku/SSJ2 Vegeta team. To the point where they would have had "no chance" against him, so much that they wouldn't even waste the time trying. They could sense his power, just as they could against Janemba. They were clearly more worried about Super Buu than Janemba.
3. Not his only attack. He also hit Janemba with dozens of punches and kicks, before-hand. However, if he was so much stronger than Janemba, and was content with giving him a 5-second beat-down like he did, then why did he have to use an attack at all? Why not just vaporize him with a kiai, like Super Vegetto could have done to Buuhan? The only excuses Vegetto had were being over-confident in his permanent fusion, and wanting to save his family instead of killing them all, and risking them being a part of Buu forever, like the Kai's. Gogeta came in, took Janemba down, and then was done. But he had to use MUCH more effort against a WEAKER opponent, then Vegetto had to use against A MUCH MUCH MUCH stronger opponent. My point here is that Super Vegetto was more powerful compared to Buuhan, than Gogeta was compared to Janemba. And Buuhan was RIDICULOUSLY more powerful than Janemba.
Hell, if you were to rate them, even Super Buu >= Super Janemba. Meaning that if Super Gogeta were to fight Buuhan, that would mean that he would have to be stronger than Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, AND Mystic Gohan, STACKED ON TOP of Super Buu. Seeing as how he did clearly need to put in effort to beat Janemba, albeit not much, I don't see that being possible at all.
4. Your first two points ARE true(but irrelevant), but your last three are wrong.
The potara can ALSO be done incorrectly, as it almost was by Goku. He was going to have Vegeta put his earring on the wrong ear, until the Elder kai told him the right one. And not to mention, he was going to go SSJ BEFORE fusion, which the old kai implied would mean Vegetto would DIE when he lost the ki to stay SSJ.
This is another irrelevant point. The old Kai wouldn't have called the potara better, because of something that didn't matter in the first place. Goku and Vegeta DO have PL's, so... yeah.
This last point is true, but the Old kai even made a point of it. AFTER he said the potara's were better. He said something like, "They're better than that silly dance. Plus, you'll be able to stay that way.". This would mean that even if they WEREN'T permanent, they'd STILL be better than the fusion dance. And that was before he even mentioned the rival boost.
5. Elder Kai specifically said that the potara's would give a rival boost. Assuming the same would happen for the fusion dance is pure assumption, which is baseless. But you're right, the boost could have been barely anything. But the point is that Vegetto has RIDICULOUSLY better feats than Gogeta EVER did.
So, by logic, Vegetto > Gogeta. And yes, to the point where he should beat him in base, with Gogeta as a SSJ1. But I already admitted that if AT made the fight, it would probably have Vegetto and Gogeta as equals. Anime Vegetto stomps even harder, considering that his BASE form was enough to trounce, and supposedly even KILL, Buuhan.