Baleman backlash

Does anyone get the sense that the Nolan Batman movies are now uncool to like, at least on the internet? After Rises came out three years ago, or maybe it was when Batman v Superman came out, the support for the movies just suddenly stopped. You have people shitting all over Rises(Personally, I feel a lot of the criticism of it is deserved, but I still think it's a good movie in spite of its flaws), other people saying that TDK was nothing without Ledger, and even more people saying that Begins has "aged terribly". I'm pretty sure that this is just a combination of a vocal minority of haters as well as trolls(And perhaps overzealous Marvel fans too), but the constant negativity eats at you.

Personally, the only major criticism that I have of these films is the bad fight choreography, especially compared to the Marvel fight choreography(If you want to see "realistic" fighting done with superheroes, just watch Ep. 2 of Daredevil and that hallway scene).

It's partially people being hipster scumbags and partially fanboy scumbags coming to their senses now that the hype has worn off.

A simple way to put it would be that the Nolan Batman films are nowhere near as good as fanboys claim when you put it under unbiased scrutiny, and they probably aren't as terrible as everyone says now.

As far as my personal metric, Begins is okay, TDK is excellent and Rises is terrible.

The TDK Trilogy is a great great story but when you compare it to comic book Batman it falls short by a fair margin of being as good as it could have been had they gone a bit more comic bookey with it

How can it not fall short when it's a much more small and contained story?

Begins aged terribly? If anything, I think it might've aged better than the sequels. But yeah, the fight choreography was always one of the films' weaker aspects.

Get the feeling though there wouldn't of been nearly as much hype backlash in the end as there was if not for most of TDKR's flaws.

Hey even Kevin Feige talks about Batman Begins being the Quintessential superhero reboot. How many superhero movies not made by the MCU actually inspire Feige?

TDKR is definitely the weakest of the trilogy (but how many directors actually make 3 great movies in a row in the same franchise?). But fact is BB and TDK really had a big part in changing the perception of superhero movies. It wasn't just the MCU. Nolan's Batman started the change, then the MCU has made that change a permanent and solid one.

I think what comes under scrutiny with those movies is that after the enjoyment wears off you have that Nolan hangover where it occurs to you that the movie you just enjoyed is filled with logic nonsense.

Second to that I think are folks who see it and think "Man this isn't very 'Batman' of Batman to do this."

Rises is the most egregious of offenders in that regard.

I think they lack some of the fun entertainment value that a lot of these Marvel films have. But Begins and TDK are good films with not so great fight choreography, like RP said. I didn't care for Rises much at all.

I'm kind of down on Nolan lately anyway, because I don't think he's a very good visual director. I hated Interstellar.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
It's partially people being hipster scumbags and partially fanboy scumbags coming to their senses now that the hype has worn off.

A simple way to put it would be that the Nolan Batman films are nowhere near as good as fanboys claim when you put it under unbiased scrutiny, and they probably aren't as terrible as everyone says now.

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More or less.

Originally posted by Tzeentch

A simple way to put it would be that the Nolan Batman films are nowhere near as good as fanboys claim

It's hardly just fanboys who claim that though. Those movies are pretty beloved worldwide tbh.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's hardly just fanboys who claim that though. Those movies are pretty beloved worldwide tbh.

Well sure but for different reasons.

People close to the fandom get irritated because it's still not the definitive cinematic BATMAN yet. Which in all likelihood we'll never be pleased with, collectively.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Hey even Kevin Feige talks about Batman Begins being the Quintessential superhero reboot. How many superhero movies not made by the MCU actually inspire Feige?

TDKR is definitely the weakest of the trilogy (but how many directors actually make 3 great movies in a row in the same franchise?). But fact is BB and TDK really had a big part in changing the perception of superhero movies. It wasn't just the MCU. Nolan's Batman started the change, then the MCU has made that change a permanent and solid one.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's hardly just fanboys who claim that though. Those movies are pretty beloved worldwide tbh.

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the only backlash i know of is the trilogy's effect on the comic-to-film industry. After the nolan movies, studios think dark/grounded is the way to go, and a lot fans hate it, me included.

The most sensible thing they done was keep it to 3 movies. It was quickly running out of steam with its more 'realistic' take.

My hope, and no doubt will require, is that BvS has a vastly more powerful and future tech equipped Batman. If they simply go down the 'uses kryptonite to weaken superman' route I'll be very disappointed. They should amp batman rather than the opposite to make it a an equal contest

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's hardly just fanboys who claim that though. Those movies are pretty beloved worldwide tbh.

Originally posted by marwash22
the only backlash i know of is the trilogy's effect on the comic-to-film industry. After the nolan movies, studios think dark/grounded is the way to go, and a lot fans hate it, me included.

so you'll hate batman v superman, suicide squad etc

maybe. i have no way of knowing.

i thoroughly enjoyed MoS.

My preference would be for comic movies to not have overly dark tones or grounded realism, but that doesn't mean i will hate it once i see it. I always go into movies with an open mind.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
I didn't say that liking the films makes you a fanboy.

You said the films are nowhere near as good as the fanboys claim. My point was it's not just the hardore fanboys who claim that those films were Epic. It's tons of movie goers. Even the vast majority of movie critics.

Originally posted by jaden101

If they simply go down the 'uses kryptonite to weaken superman' route I'll be very disappointed. They should amp batman rather than the opposite to make it a an equal contest

It will likely be both.

They will amp Batman with some armored tech suit, but that would still make Superman look pretty weak, so on top of that Kryptonite will likely be used.

That way it can be an equal fight which could look awesome as well. Instead of just having Superman jobbing to a hi-tech suit. Or just having a normal Batman standing there with a piece of Krytonite slapping Superman around akin to what Lex Luthor did in Superman Returns. There was nothing awesome about that little slap around.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You said the films are nowhere near as good as the fanboys claim. My point was it's not just the hardore fanboys who claim that those films were Epic. It's tons of movie goers. Even the vast majority of movie critics.

It will likely be both.

They will amp Batman with some armored tech suit, but that would still make Superman look pretty weak, so on top of that Kryptonite will likely be used.

That way it can be an equal fight which could look awesome as well. Instead of just having Superman jobbing to a hi-tech suit. Or just having a normal Batman standing there with a piece of Krytonite slapping Superman around akin to what Lex Luthor did in Superman Returns. There was nothing awesome about that little slap around.

Supes has to job though 😄 😛

On the internet at least one of the major complaints is that it isn't like "comic Batman" where it doesn't suck his dick by being the greatest scientist, weapons developer, detective, martial arts master all at once.

Marvel fanboys attack it's "darkness" because it's not Marvel so they don't count as valid complainers.

Then there's some shitting on Rises for some of it's plot points but not the trilogy as a whole.