Darth Plagueis vs. Emperor Vitiate

Started by Col. Valerian6 pages

He didn't die. His spirit is capable of causing such massive destruction or earthquakes. Only an extremely powerful spirit can do such things. Both Plagueis and Vitiate were amongst the top dogs in the mythos, and as such have the abilities required as spirit(s).

You don't get to be one of the most powerful Sith Lords ever having only good TK and less-than-impressive combat prowess. As I've previously said, I'm not arguing against Plagueis's chances to win, or in favour of Vitiate. Both have impressive TK and neither's TK should be underestimated. That's all.

I'm not saying Vitiate's is weak, only that Plagueis' TK is better. Vitiate did die actually, hence returning from his nebulous form to a spiritual one.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I'm not saying Vitiate's is weak, only that Plagueis' TK is better.

This makes no sense.

Telekinetic prowess is dependent on raw power of the Force-user. The stronger a Force-user, the more kinetic energy he is able to produce in his offensive actions accordingly.

Vitiate can logically match all telekinetic actions of Plagueis and then some.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Vitiate did die actually, hence returning from his nebulous form to a spiritual one.

Vitiate acquired the ability to cheat death so he cannot die like a mortal.

Their is no return to the so-called spiritual realm for a mortal after death. Mortals become "one with the Force" after death.

What are the spirits actually? They are essence of those individuals who have learned to preserve their essence after death (an aspect of immortality). Such an essence is technically a ghost or entity which exists in the material realm and is able to interact with the surroundings just like a mortal Force-user.

Essentially this:

"What is a Force ghost?"

"It's a survival, a sending from someone who has died but still exists in a certain way." (Ordith Huarr and Nelani Dinn)

More:

"I was able to touch you because we are connected by the Force. I drew on your link with the Force to become more solid, just as I draw on it now to become visible to you." (The ghost of Aidan Bok to Tash Arranda)

A ghost, actually draws on the Force to interact with the surroundings just like a mortal Force-user. A powerful ghost is able to outright 'possess' a mortal, should the need arise.

Do we finally have evidence that the temple was brought down?

I'm not saying Vitiate's is weak, only that Plagueis' TK is better.

Aparently bringing down whole temples is easier than Force handling your opponent, so pointless bringing out this feat.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Him saying that the HoT will die with him is a threat, substantiated only by the fact his body dying and his spirit leaving has caused a localised eruption in the Force that damages the temple heavily.

By comparison causing Coruscant to suffer an earthquake because of Plagueis' death is far more impressive.

Vitiate isn't actually dead or dying in the Light Side version of that scene though. The Hero specifically mentions that she'll take him captive and Scourge says he's still alive. Even in the darkside ending the guy is still ****ing alive with a pillar through his chest.

Plagueis's TK is also quite impressive, just not on Vitiate's level Imo.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Do we finally have evidence that the temple was brought down?

I don't think so.

Anyone can provide proof?

Bump

Assume it is Novel Vitiate

Originally posted by AncientPower
I'm not saying Vitiate's is weak, only that Plagueis' TK is better. Vitiate did die actually, hence returning from his nebulous form to a spiritual one.

Funny how things change. Also funny how people suggest I'm incredibly biased towards TOR when I used to argue this.

You are incredibly biased towards TOR though :/

Plagueis stomps any pre-KotFE iteration of this guy.

Originally posted by Azronger
Plagueis stomps any iteration of this guy.

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Anyway, novel Vitiate wins decently.

I would say it's pretty even tbh. What are the arguments for both sides?

SWTOR Vitiate beats him in a decent fight.

Novel Vitiate dies.

Originally posted by DarthCaedus77
SWTOR Vitiate beats him in a decent fight.

Novel Vitiate dies.

Why?

Originally posted by Azronger
Plagueis stomps any pre-KotFE iteration of this guy.

Darth Plagueis could not stomp even shitty Lord Venamis in a fight. He could not threaten Jedi Order in a significant way. His supposed corporeal immortality is hot air. Not sure why you continue to rate this guy so high.

Go through my Valkorion Respect Thread once again; I have updated it (WIP). Valkorion is beyond the likes of Darth Plagueis.

Originally posted by DarthCaedus77
Novel Vitiate dies.

Reason?

Tenebrae, at this stage, killed several members of the Dark Council, and humbled Revan separately. He had a good shot against Revan's Strike Team as well (explicitly mentioned in the novel).

Darth Plagueis's capability to defeat Revan is suspect, let alone Tenebrae.