Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Plagueis could not stomp even shitty Lord Venamis in a fight. He could not threaten Jedi Order in a significant way. His supposed corporeal immortality is hot air. Not sure why you continue to rate this guy so high.Go through my Valkorion Respect Thread once again; I have updated it (WIP). Valkorion is beyond the likes of Darth Plagueis.
Your RT sucked lol. Even I could do better and I hate Valk.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Reason?Tenebrae, at this stage, killed several members of the Dark Council, and humbled Revan separately. He had a good shot against Revan's Strike Team as well (explicitly mentioned in the novel).
Darth Plagueis's capability to defeat Revan is suspect, let alone Tenebrae.
None of those feats are above Plagueis.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Why?
Better showings of force power imo and more versatility.
Originally posted by DarthCaedus77
None of those feats are above Plagueis.
Darth Plagueis was unable to stomp the likes of Darth Venamis in a fight, and a group of elite assassins nearly felled him. These lackluster showings do not hold a candle to Tenebrae's.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yeah, they could. That's assuming that Vitiate has the capacity to wield them competently, though.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Any basis? Darth Plagueis was unable to stomp the likes of Darth Venamis in a fight, and a group of elite assassins nearly felled him. These lackluster showings do not hold a candle to Tenebrae's.
Yeah if you ommit context to these showings Plagueis isn't impressive but let's explain to you what actually happened in these instances.
Venamis knew Plagueis inside and out which is why he contended with him for so long.
As for the assasins Plagueis hesitated to use his powers because he didn't want to alert the Jedi to his presence. They took advantage of hesitation and managed to badly injuire him. Lowballing Plagueis isn't helping your case here.
OT-Both are extremely powerful. Too close to call.
Well, the real reason it”s lowballing is because Plagueis was absurdly below his prime in the fight with Venamis, and still far from his prime during the Maladian feat, as he”s stated to grow “far more powerful” after the fact.
The Venamis showing also just isn”t a low showing. Darth Venamis was a legitimate potential Banite successor who was exhaustively trained by Darth Tenebrous, (who, in turn, barely even trained Plagueis,) and he was trained in Plagueis’ style, and similarly shared his master”s enthusiasm for lightsaber combat. Once Plagueis switches up his style, however, he beats Venamis pretty handily. Plagueis also refers to Venamis as a being of “near-equal” power to him at the time, so Venamis is just that good.
@XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Well, the real reason it”s lowballing is because Plagueis was absurdly below his prime in the fight with Venamis,
and still far from his prime during the Maladian feat, as he”s stated to grow “far more powerful” after the fact.
This assertion: "Soon I will be stronger than you can possibly imagine." - is in the context of Darth Plagueis achieving corporeal immortality which he was unable to.
The Venamis showing also just isn”t a low showing. Darth Venamis was a legitimate potential Banite successor who was exhaustively trained by Darth Tenebrous, (who, in turn, barely even trained Plagueis,) and he was trained in Plagueis’ style, and similarly shared his master”s enthusiasm for lightsaber combat. Once Plagueis switches up his style, however, he beats Venamis pretty handily. Plagueis also refers to Venamis as a being of “near-equal” power to him at the time, so Venamis is just that good.
Darth Venamis being a skilled warrior, and having deep knowledge of Darth Plagueis's dueling skills, is not sufficient to count him among the HIGH-END of Sith Lords.
Darth Tenebrous barely even trained Darth Plagueis? Darth Plagueis was a master of lightsaber combat by the time he fought Darth Venamis:
"Tenebrous, however, who had pronounced Plagueis a master of the art, had always enjoyed a good fight, and had clearly bequeathed that enthusiasm to his other trainee." - Star Wars: Darth Plagueis
Originally posted by HP Legend
Yeah if you ommit context to these showings Plagueis isn't impressive but let's explain to you what actually happened in these instances.Venamis knew Plagueis inside and out which is why he contended with him for so long.
Originally posted by HP Legend
As for the assasins Plagueis hesitated to use his powers because he didn't want to alert the Jedi to his presence. They took advantage of hesitation and managed to badly injuire him. Lowballing Plagueis isn't helping your case here.OT-Both are extremely powerful. Too close to call.
Darth Plagueis was with The Order of the Canted Circle when the Maladians struck. And he did not hesitate to use his powers to kill Maladians in brutal ways.
Tenebrae would have made the Maladians bend the knee without a gesture and/or turned them all against each other.
The fact pre-Nathema Vitiate was already killing an 8-strong Sith Council, who were each individually the most powerful Sith Lords who ruled hundreds of planets. Literally, besides Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh they were the next contenders for Dark Lord. That feat is already immensely impressive for anyone.
He executes the Sith Council and consumes the life force of thousands of Sith Lords in a terrifying ritual that extends his life and vastly increases his capacity as a practitioner of the Force.
- SWTOR: Encyclopedia
At that point there were 8 of them left alive, though I guess you can argue they appointed replacements but that'd be speculation.