Speed Rankings

Originally posted by Silent Master
Throwing punches while flying fast isn't combat superspeed.

Yet Metro Man reading books and shit while time is virtually stopped is? Funny joke. 👆

Again, fighting while flying really fast isn't the same as combat superspeed.

"If I repeat the same thing over and over again it'll become true"

True, no matter how many times people repeat it, throwing punches while flying will never be combat superspeed ala Flash, Quicksilver or Metro Man.

... you could use that argument for almost any character in fiction who's not primarily portrayed as a speedster

Speed feats in fiction come in different forms, it's a silly idea to focus on a single type of speed feat

Also nice "no u"

Per the op travel feats and guesses aren't allowed, so what concrete feats does MOS Superman have to support combat superspeed?

>durr combat speed

Well if you have a way of figuring out "combat speed" beyond, you know, using quantifiable feats then I'd be please to hear it other then some retarded "can only be measured in combat"

If they threw punches at eachother while flying, then they';re obviously that fast, if they were only normal human, they wouldn't throw any attacks before they crossed several hundred kilometers in a second at all

Denial is not a valid counterargument

Seriously though, I'll never understand why the combat speed fallacy is regarded as anything but just that

I mean, it originated in the DBZ vs Comic threads in MVC, the site was mocked by pretty much any respectable debating board for it, not sure why it's gained momentum

So you have no feats of Quicksilver/Flash Metro Man type superspeed for MOS Superman?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Per the op travel feats and guesses aren't allowed, so what concrete feats does MOS Superman have to support combat superspeed?

Are you trolling, or legitimately too stupid to understand this?

Yeah, not every single character with speed feats has to be doing thousands of crazy speed tricks like they're the ****ing Flash in every damn situation they appear in, you know

Unless you're fine with saying god knows how many shonen characters, upper tier Warhammer characters, Guilty Gear characters aren't fast because their speed isn't portrayed as such (and they're not primarily portrayed as speedsters, so)

There are many ways of portraying speed in fiction

I didn't ask for flight speed feats.

So... are you actually going to make an argument or just keep sticking your head in the sand?

It's nice that you think being able to throw punches while flying at superspeed is the same thing as your reactions being so fast that you can perceive and interact with the world as if everyone is a statue, but I disagree. IMO, Remove MOS Superman's ability to fly and Quicksilver and Flash would run circles around him.

As an example, Thor and Ironman were fighting while flying in the Avengers, yet I don't see anyone using that as proof that Ironman has superspeed reactions.

It's nice that you think being able to throw punches while flying at superspeed is the same thing as your reactions being so fast that you can perceive and interact with the world as if everyone is a statue, but I disagree

"I don't have a valid argument so I'll just continue to stonewall with the same bullshit"

If you don't personally believe it, that's fine, but you don't get to dismiss it because it doesn't mesh with how you interpret it

If they were only normal human in reactions/attack speed they wouldn't have thrown any punches at all during their fight (after all, they cross 102 kms every second at least)

After all, it is a vs debate, not a roleplay of Little Britain

IMO, Remove MOS Superman's ability to fly and Quicksilver and Flash would run circles around him.

Argument from belief

As an example, Thor and Ironman were fighting while flying in the Avengers, yet I don't see anyone using that as proof that Ironman has superspeed reactions.

Well hey now, Iron Man did dodge a tank shell and Thor kept up with him, so

I disagree and have explained my reason, I even gave an example of a normal human being able to fight while flying at well above human speed. take away MOS Superman's flight and Quicksilver and Flash would run circles around him.

Guys, I already mentioned in my OP that travel speed is not considered here....

Silent Master, I'll ask you here and now, because I'm damn serious here

How old are you?

I have a strong vibe I'm arguing with someone who's in their preteens

You don't make an argument, you just answer back to the opposition snidely and act smug about it like a 7 year old who yells swear words in class when he's told not to to try an get laughs out of the class

lol, I love that you included Kung-fu hustle in this.

1. Superman (MoS) - He was clocked flying around half the Earth in like a second. That's... NEAR light speed. About 1/14th, conservatively speaking. No real defined speed feats other than that though. Still, 1/14th LS makes him faster than everyone else here, by leaps and bounds... An eighth of a mile tall... (sorry) 😬

2. Quicksilver (X-Men: Days of Future past) - I believe he was clocked to be like mach 250 or something. Since the bullets fired at him were so still in comparison, and water itself was suspended in mid air, from his perspective. This could, however, be a low-end feat from QS, as not ONLY did he achieve this feat CASUALLY, but he even managed to screw around while doing so, even going so far as to give guards wedgies, taste soup that was cooking, etc. This is ludicrously above his comic book self though, which was... I believe mach 5 or 6? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. If so though, then yes, it's ridiculous that they made him so much faster than he actually is.

3. The Beast (Kung-Fu hustle) - Hm... This one's kind of a toughy. However, I do remember that the Beast was capable of jumping into outer space, from his own estimation. Escape velocity on Earth is about 25,038.72 mph. The speed of sound is effectively 786 mph. This makes Beast, at least with jumping speed, around mach 31.86, which is pretty impressive.

4. Tied between:

Agents (the Matrix) - Well, the average speed of expansion for explosions, which they outran, iirc, is about mach 25 or so. So, they're likely a bit faster than that. 👆

and

G-Girl (My Super Ex Gf) - Wow, been a minute since I've seen this movie, lol. Didn't she catch a nuke, and outrun the explosion or something though? That would be at least in the double digit machs.

5. Obi Wan (Star Wars franchise) - Well, tbh, most of Star Wars's feats are REALLY inconsistent. Especially going by the comics. They have really high end feats, and really low end ones. They don't seem that much faster than average humans though, in the movies. 😬 Not worth mentioning here.

?. Metro Man (Megamind) - Never saw Megamind, sadly. 😬

?. Didn't know where to place the *** from True Blood. 😬

No travel speed in this thread pls.

Just combat speed/reflexes.