Speed Rankings

>combat speed fallacy

Right, has this site become a second MovieCodec now?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
No travel speed in this thread pls.

Just combat speed/reflexes.

Is there a misunderstanding with this? Are land based speedsters considered the the only people that are allowed to be called "combat speed feats."

Because here we have Kryptonians who are not just subjected to land battles based on anti gravity powers.

Example:

Quicksilver could run in a straight line and punch fifty people going fast, and that would be acceptable as a "combat speed feat"

However,

If Man of Steel did the exact same feat but flying, that is now considered "traveling feat."

The exact same thing happened, just one was on the ground, and one was flying.

Its a double standard.

Same feat. Different delivery because of different powers.

Can a character move and react at such a speed? If yes, then it counts as combat speed

http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/13-general-obd-terms/79-combat-speed-fallacy

Just because

If MoS was not able to react to other peoples movement who were faster then him, then no he would not have speed, however he did, so I dunno what the problem is. Faora was faster then him, once he learned how to counter it, that erases the idea he can't move fast.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Is there a misunderstanding with this? Are land based speedsters considered the the only people that are allowed to be called "combat speed feats."

Because here we have Kryptonians who are not just subjected to land battles based on anti gravity powers.

Example:

Quicksilver could run in a straight line and punch fifty people going fast, and that would be acceptable as a "combat speed feat"

However,

If Man of Steel did the exact same feat but flying, that is now considered traveling feat.

The exact same thing happened, just one was on the ground, and one was flying.

Same feat. Different delivery because of different powers.

Flying/travel speed is taken as a separate ability because characters being able to cross distances quickly does not necessarily equal being able to (1) percieve things at the same pace nor does it (2) equate to being able to move one's limbs at the same pace. Ex: Movie Silver Surfer, Human Torch.

Running speed (and ONLY the running speed that requires one to move one's arms and legs so fast that they travel at said speed) is usually the exception as it meets the (2) requirment as mentioned above. There are exceptions tho. Like moving fast because you manage to take giant powerfu lsemi-leap steps instead of fast steps. Ex. Ang Lee Hulk.

If you want to simplify it. Follow the "racecar driver rule". Racecars travel at over a hundred miles an hour yet drivers are pretty much able to react within these speeds, even make pinpoint maneuvers.

And yes, to be honest however, there can be arguments made on either positions. But that is NOT the point of this thread as I wanted pure, unquestionable "feats", not arguable ones.

I was very specific. Visually evident combat speed "feats" only.

So Gotenks' speed feat in DBZ was him flying around the planet several times in a few seconds. Is this just "durr not combat speed"

This being the highest quantifiable speed feat in the series (barring animu filler anyhow)

Originally posted by StealthRanger
http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/13-general-obd-terms/79-combat-speed-fallacy

Just because

Really??

Posting an almost full-on rant wiki obviously written by an angry teenager battleboard poster?

Wow. Stop the presses! This debate is ovah! Obviously insightful tidbits like "usually DBZtards such as the Phenom Brigade and MvC wankers" have proven without a shadow of a doubt how true and credible this piece of wiki is...

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Originally posted by StealthRanger
So Gotenks' speed feat in DBZ was him flying around the planet several times in a few seconds. Is this just "durr not combat speed"

This being the highest quantifiable speed feat in the series (barring animu filler anyhow)

You need direct proof and not inferential proof to prove with certainty that a character can perform an ability. Inferential proof is just that.

And the rule I made in the OP was VERY SPECIFIC. Stop trying to change the damned rules.

And the rule I made in the OP was VERY SPECIFIC. Stop trying to change the damned rules.

Considering your "rule" is the same "durr combat speed" shit that was laughed out of here and everywhere else years ago when it was used by the Phenom Brigade and DBZ tards since 2006 and mocked ever since then, quite frankly, I don't give two shits about your "rules", and quite frankly, neither should anyone else

You need direct proof and not inferential proof to prove with certainty that a character can perform an ability

So according to you Gotenks isn't capable of fighting at Mach 30,000 speeds, much less Buu, Vegeta, Goku, etc?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Flying/travel speed is taken as a separate ability because characters being able to cross distances quickly does not necessarily equal being able to (1) percieve things at the same pace nor does it (2) equate to being able to move one's limbs at the same pace. Ex: Movie Silver Surfer, Human Torch.

Running speed (and ONLY the running speed that requires one to move one's arms and legs so fast that they travel at said speed) is usually the exception as it meets the (2) requirment as mentioned above. There are exceptions tho. Like moving fast because you manage to take giant powerfu lsemi-leap steps instead of fast steps. Ex. Ang Lee Hulk.

If you want to simplify it. Follow the "racecar driver rule". Racecars travel at over a hundred miles an hour yet drivers are pretty much able to react within these speeds, even make pinpoint maneuvers.

And yes, to be honest however, there can be arguments made on either positions. But that is NOT the point of this thread as I wanted pure, unquestionable "feats", not arguable ones.

I was very specific. Visually evident combat speed "feats" only.

I think the problem is how people are defining combat speed, most of us the term to indicate how fast people can perform complex actions, like the aforementioned Quicksilver and Metro Man. while others use the term to mean 'can throw punches while flying really fast". as an example, I doubt either of us would have a problem saying that Smallvile and Lois and Clark Superman have combat superspeed. as they both have actual feats of performing complex actions ala QS and MM.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Considering your "rule" is the same "durr combat speed" shit that was laughed out of here and everywhere else years ago when it was used by the Phenom Brigade and DBZ tards since 2006, quite frankly, I don't give two shits about your "rules", and quite frankly, neither should anyone else

So according to you Gotenks isn't capable of fighting at Mach 30,000 speeds, much less Buu, Vegeta, Goku, etc?

You understand that insistently and directly disrergarding OP rules and causing a ruckus is only gonna get your reported right?

I never said any of that and neither am I going to dignify that with a repsonse as (1) they are not part of the OP. (2) this is not the freakin anime forums.

You know what? I'm just going to go ahead and report you. Good day.

You understand that insistently and directly disrergarding OP rules and causing a ruckus is only gonna get your reported right?

Yeah what are ya gonna do, ask for a CBR style mod ruling? By all means don't let me stop you dragging the site down to the levels of CBR with your shite

I never said any of that and neither am I going to dignify that with a repsonse as (1) they are not part of the OP. (2) this is not the freakin anime forums

Point is, just because "it wuz fwight", doesn't mean it's automatically invalid as a combat speed feat, it's pretty much a case by case thing

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Yeah what are ya gonna do, ask for a CBR style mod ruling? By all means don't let me stop you dragging the site down to the levels of CBR with your shite

Point is, just because "it wuz fwight", doesn't mean it's automatically invalid as a combat speed feat, it's pretty much a case by case thing

You are directly and insistently disregarding OP rules even when asked to stop, you try to bring in characters NOT in the OP and you bring in anime characters in a movie VS thread. And you're saying that trying to bring order to the thread I made is "dragging the site down to the level of CBR"? Your standards of what brings a thread/site down are bizarre....

YES! THAT is EXACTLY what the hell I've been saying. It is a case by case thing. That is why DIRECT proof is needed and not INFERENTIAL evidence......

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Flying/travel speed is taken as a separate ability because characters being able to cross distances quickly does not necessarily equal being able to (1) percieve things at the same pace nor does it (2) equate to being able to move one's limbs at the same pace. Ex: Movie Silver Surfer, Human Torch.

Running speed (and ONLY the running speed that requires one to move one's arms and legs so fast that they travel at said speed) is usually the exception as it meets the (2) requirment as mentioned above. There are exceptions tho. Like moving fast because you manage to take giant powerfu lsemi-leap steps instead of fast steps. Ex. Ang Lee Hulk.

If you want to simplify it. Follow the "racecar driver rule". Racecars travel at over a hundred miles an hour yet drivers are pretty much able to react within these speeds, even make pinpoint maneuvers.

And yes, to be honest however, there can be arguments made on either positions. But that is NOT the point of this thread as I wanted pure, unquestionable "feats", not arguable ones.

I was very specific. Visually evident combat speed "feats" only.

Faora started off fighting MoS and was moving much faster then him, we all know she has combat speed. Once he figured out how to do the same thing he was able to react and counter. And this was on the ground. That's a combat speed feat.

Similar fighting style was happening when Zod and Mos were fighting except physics changed because they were in anti-gravity. But they were fighting at extreme speed and fighting and countering. As well as their punches causing shockwaves, meaning there arms were moving at a extreme high rate of speed. force=mass x acceleration

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Faora started off fighting MoS and was moving much faster then him, we all know she has combat speed. Once he figured out how to do the same thing he was able to react and counter. And this was on the ground. That's a combat speed feat.

Similar fighting style was happening when Zod and Mos were fighting except physics changed because they were in anti-gravity. But they were fighting at extreme speed and fighting and countering. As well as their punches causing shockwaves, meaning there arms were moving at a extreme high rate of speed. force=mass x acceleration

"Assumption of speed" or powerscaling is specificslly not allowed in this thread. This is an "only visually evident speed is allowed" thread.

If he does "feats" of moving fast in reacting to Faora's speed, however, that is allowed and you may post it here to prove your point.

What combat speed feats does Faora have?

They might be talking about where she charged at the soldiers at blur speeds and then stops in order to attack.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
"Assumption of speed" or powerscaling is specificslly not allowed in this thread. This is an "only visually evident speed is allowed" thread.

If he does "feats" of moving fast in reacting to Faora's speed, however, that is allowed and you may post it here to prove your point.

If he was not moving as fast as her, then he would not be able to counter her fast movement, yes?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
If he was not moving as fast as her, then he would not be able to counter her fast movement, yes?

Not exactly. Slower fighters tag faster fighters all the time. Especially at short or grapple range. Heck, the other kryptonian (Nam-Ek was it?) who was moving pretty slow was tagging supes all the time. Visually evident means that it must be shown VISUALLY to be moving fast.