Originally posted by Genesis-Soldier
he can manuver the shoulder rockets out of the way, or move IM's body so the repulsors cannot hit vader. if vader cant beat the neuro link straight off the bat he still takes the drawn out battle
Thats assuming he has the TK power shown on screen with someone like Neo or Phoenix or Magneto to block multiple incoming projectiles right?
Originally posted by KingD19
Vader only crushed the Droid in a fit of rage because he found out he was the cause of Padme's death. He never again displayed that power.
Let's not kid ourselves here. Crushing a droid like that requires dozens of times the power to crush a larynx. So unless you think Vader was literally dozens of times more powerful there your point is kinda moot.
Not to mention Luke in ESB was able to lift an X-Wing partway and Vader is shown to be far more powerful at the time in their duel.
Raw strength does not equal more control. He showed he had the raw power to do it while angry. He never performed an instant throat or metal crush focused at a very small, specific area. Based on feats, it requires a bit more effort to focus his powers like that. If you want to claim he can, post proof that he can instantly crush a very specific area on a very specific target, while not being consumed by his rage.
Originally posted by Genesis-Soldier
he can manuver the shoulder rockets out of the way, or move IM's body so the repulsors cannot hit vader. if vader cant beat the neuro link straight off the bat he still takes the drawn out battle
That's assuming Vader has the ability to simultaneously tk dozens of extremely fast, extremely small, target-seeking explosive projectiles, that zip all over the place. Deflecting blaster bolts is not quite the same thing. They move in a straight line and don't explode on impact.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Raw strength does not equal more control. He showed he had the raw power to do it while angry. He never performed an instant throat or metal crush focused at a very small, specific area. Based on feats, it requires a bit more effort to focus his powers like that. If you want to claim he can, post proof that he can instantly crush a very specific area on a very specific target, while not being consumed by his rage.
You do realize Vader is a Sith Lord right? He is always consumed by rage. Regardless, you're entire argument hinges on the notion that Vader is dozens of times more powerful at the end of RotS. If you honestly believe that he was, that's fine by me. I, however, think it's an absolutely asinine line of "logic".
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That's not quite how it works. Being a Sith doesn't make you Bruce Banner where you're always angry all the time. Vader had never been as angry as he was when Sidious told him Padme was dead and it was his fault.
Anger and rage make you stronger in the dark side, but there are levels. He was calm and focused through the original trilogy. So he wasn't as powerful. Also he didn't even mean to so the Force Crush from the looks of it. It was just his power lashing out with no direction or focus.
Originally posted by ares834
Even if we assume Vader is more powerful in that scene (and I doubt that he is considering his lack of Sith training), the difference in power between crushing a droid and a throat is so great that I can't logically see anyway he would be incapable of doing the latter even when far weaker.
He lacked Sith training but he was the most powerful force user in existence. Him doing things with ease without proper training was because of his raw power.
A lot of it is is assumptions, could he lift the X Wing out of the lake? We will never know..Would his raw power allow him to, or would it take training?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He lacked Sith training but he was the most powerful force user in existence. Him doing things with ease without proper training was because of his raw power.
Sure. But with proper training his raw power should increase as well.
Plus Lucas (and the old EU) made it clear that his potential was reduced after his defeat at Mustafar. Although, thankfully, Disney seems to have jets ones that little fact.
Originally posted by ares834
Sure. But with proper training his raw power should increase as well.
To me it seemed like his power decreased the more body parts he lost. Something tells me he would have more midiclorians if he had more parts of his body. Like you would have more red blood cells with more tissue, and less if you didn't have your legs and arms.