Darth Vader vs. Iron Man

Wasn't Vader's suit equipped with energy dampening materials though? I may be remembering wrong, or remembering something from the old EU/Legends codexes.

But I do recall the reason Vader was able to deflect Han's DL44 Blaster shots (Which are said to be powerful enough to swiss cheese Stormtrooper armor relatively easily) and also shrug off glancing lightsaber strikes like the one he got to the shoulder during the ESB duel with Luke, was because his suit was laced with something similar to Cortosis weave.

I'm the EU it's been stated both ways. But in the movies itself, it's quite clearly a force power considering we see Dooku do the same thing to his lightning in AotC.

Regardless, I doubt Vader can block IM's laser for long.

Originally posted by ares834
I'm the EU it's been stated both ways. But in the movies itself, it's quite clearly a force power considering we see Dooku do the same thing to his lightning in AotC.

Regardless, I doubt Vader can block IM's laser for long.

The only issue people may have with that is that the Force Lightning is still a Force technique, and should logically be countered by the Force techniques of the target, rather than trying to redirect/absorb/counter energy from weapons fire.

That said, Vader was killed by stray discharges of Palpatine's Force Lightning.

Is it Iron man after Age of Ultron or before that ?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The only issue people may have with that is that the Force Lightning is still a Force technique, and should logically be countered by the Force techniques of the target, rather than trying to redirect/absorb/counter energy from weapons fire.

Which is silly considering the same thing happens. The Sith reaches out with a hand and deflects the energy.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
That said, Vader was killed by stray discharges of Palpatine's Force Lightning.

Sure. But Vader wasn't even attempting to block it at the time. He couldn't considering his one hand was otherwise preoccupied. Though, I doubt he could do so anyway.

Vader. He would either force choke, or crush Tony inside of his suit. I remember when Vader found out he kill his women, he crush everything inside the room instantly in a fit of rage.

Originally posted by ares834
Which is silly considering the same thing happens. The Sith reaches out with a hand and deflects the energy.

Sure. But Vader wasn't even attempting to block it at the time. He couldn't considering his one hand was otherwise preoccupied. Though, I doubt he could do so anyway.

It was indeed stated Vader had a beskar glove and that let him block the blaster bolt.

Vader never showed the ability of Tutaminis, which is what Yoda used to block lightning. We can't just assume Vader can do it as well as its not a force power that everyone just has like force tk.

Originally posted by ares834
Which is silly considering the same thing happens. The Sith reaches out with a hand and deflects the energy.

Not entirely. Consider the different elements that comprise the energy. Force energy is obviously different than superheated tibana gas plasma. The force is malleable, and can be utilised by the power of thought, basically put, a struggle of willpower vs willpower. Energy weapons discharges are.... not susceptible to such things.

Originally posted by ares834
Sure. But Vader wasn't even attempting to block it at the time. He couldn't considering his one hand was otherwise preoccupied. Though, I doubt he could do so anyway.

Considering that the energy waves of the force can be manipulated at mere thought and doesn't necessarily require hand gestures, I would say that if Vader was capable of deflecting or absorbing Palp's Lightning attack, especially as uncontrolled as it was at the time, he would have done it.

Originally posted by KingD19
It was indeed stated Vader had a beskar glove and that let him block the blaster bolt.

So I remembered mostly correctly....

Originally posted by KingD19
Vader never showed the ability of Tutaminis, which is what Yoda used to block lightning. We can't just assume Vader can do it as well as its not a force power that everyone just has like force tk.

This is true. We can't really say that all force users can use the entire tree of force abilities. All Force users know the basic techniques, obviously, but tech like force lightning is rare indeed, and tech like shatterpoint, battle meditation, and tutaminis are exceedingly rare.

Originally posted by Robtard
Vader chokes out Tony or he could for shits and giggles crush Tony's helmet and pop his skull like a grape.

Vader wins another thread 👆

He speaks the truth, grape ape crush FTW

Originally posted by KingD19
It was indeed stated Vader had a beskar glove and that let him block the blaster bolt.

And like I’ve stated before other sources attribute it to Vader’s force powers. But that's the EU anyway...

Originally posted by KingD19
Vader never showed the ability of Tutaminis, which is what Yoda used to block lightning. We can't just assume Vader can do it as well as its not a force power that everyone just has like force tk.

He just showed it there… We are arguing movies only and nothing suggests Vader’s glove can resist blaster bolts. By contrast there is a force power that can be used to deflect energy and the way he does it is identical to how Dooku uses it.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Not entirely. Consider the different elements that comprise the energy. Force energy is obviously different than superheated tibana gas plasma. The force is malleable, and can be utilised by the power of thought, basically put, a struggle of willpower vs willpower. Energy weapons discharges are.... not susceptible to such things.

Why are you bringing the EU into it? BTW, in the EU, “normal” energy can be absorbed. Jacen does literally the same thing as Vader (in fact a character actually compares it to Vader) and certain characters have even absorbed lightsaber blades.

Nobody puts Vader in a corner.

YouTube video

Originally posted by Robtard
Nobody puts Vader in a corner.

Originally posted by ares834
Why are you bringing the EU into it? BTW, in the EU, “normal” energy can be absorbed. Jacen does literally the same thing as Vader (in fact a character actually compares it to Vader) and certain characters have even absorbed lightsaber blades.

Umm, I didn't. Unless you are now saying that all energy weapons are now reliant on force energy rather than actual power sources.

As for the EU stuff, I don't remember anything like that at all. And literally the only time I've seen anything remotely close to it in theoretical principal, was when Galen powered a particle beam cannon onboard Rebel 1

Energy is energy as far as I'm concerned.

As for the other stuff:

YouTube video

At around 3:35 if you want to skip. And many other examples as well.

Originally posted by ares834
Energy is energy as far as I'm concerned.

I don't want to sound mean or anything, but.... this statement, is not intelligent.

I mean, there is a difference between electrical energy and radiation, kinetic energy is different from gravitational energy. I should not have to explain this. Simply saying energy is energy in such a broad sense, it is utterly ludicrous, because, under that mentality you could claim Vader could withstand being struck by tank shells. After all, he could absorb the kinetic impact energy, and the explosive detonation energy. Better yet, he could absorb or redirect an AT AT's particle cannon shots. Hell why stop there and lets compare it to the Death Star's main superlaser array? After all, it's all just energy.... right?

Originally posted by ares834
As for the other stuff:

YouTube video

At around 3:35 if you want to skip. And many other examples as well.

I'll have a look.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I don't want to sound mean or anything, but.... this statement, is not intelligent.

I mean, there is a difference between electrical energy and radiation, kinetic energy is different from gravitational energy. I should not have to explain this. Simply saying energy is energy in such a broad sense, it is utterly ludicrous, because, under that mentality you could claim Vader could withstand being struck by tank shells. After all, he could absorb the kinetic impact energy, and the explosive detonation energy. Better yet, he could absorb or redirect an AT AT's particle cannon shots. Hell why stop there and lets compare it to the Death Star's main superlaser array? After all, it's all just energy.... right?

I've made that argument many times. I'm talking about the energy of Dooku's lightning and blaster bolts though. Which should be evident by our argument. I apologize for any confusion though. I didn't expect that line to be taken so broadly.

Also nice straw man. The post you quoted makes no mention of scale. In fact, earlier I doubted that Vader could deflect IM's laser due to its power. 👆

Originally posted by ares834
I've made that argument many times. I'm talking about the energy of Dooku's lightning and blaster bolts though. Which should be evident by our argument.

Which are two completely different types of energy. Even it's method of delivery, implementation, source, and methodology is completely different. None of these are considered factors by your claim.

Originally posted by ares834
Also nice straw man. The post you quoted makes no mention of scale. In fact, earlier I doubted that Vader could deflect IM's laser due to its power. 👆

Why? Under the broad sense you wish to utilise, Force Lightning is nothing but a stream of energy, no different from Iron Man's laser, which is also a stream of energy. Under the theory of "energy is merely energy" then scale should not matter as according to the use of the force, it's all as malleable as the rest. Why couldn't he simply reflect the superlaser's beam, or IM's tribeam for that matter??

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Which are two completely different types of energy. Even it's method of delivery, implementation, source, and methodology is completely different. None of these are considered factors by your claim.

In both cases we have a character block a stream of energy with their hand. That one is generated by the force and the other by a blaster should make little difference. Electricity generated through kinetic motion works the same as that generated by geothermal, etc... Now if you really want to over-analyze it and say lightning is the flow of electrons while a blaster bolt appears to be thermal energy then that's you prerogative. I, however, hold it's over analyzing it.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Why? Under the broad sense you wish to utilise, Force Lightning is nothing but a stream of energy, no different from Iron Man's laser, which is also a stream of energy. Under the theory of "energy is merely energy" then scale should not matter as according to the use of the force, it's all as malleable as the rest. Why couldn't he simply reflect the superlaser's beam, or IM's tribeam for that matter??

Even if we take that line out of context, that does not follow. That "energy is energy" does not mean scale is irrelevant. It just means that, energy is energy. A true enough statement on it's own.

Originally posted by ares834
In both cases we have a character block a stream of energy with their hand. That one is generated by the force and the other by a blaster should make little difference. Now if you really want to over-analyze it and say lightning it the flow of electrons while a blaster bolt appears to be thermal energy then that's you prerogative. I, however, hold it's over analyzing it.

Right, so on the one hand, determining scale is not over analysing, but everything else about it apparently is. Even when the types of damage is completely different.

Originally posted by ares834
Even if we take that line out of context, that does not follow. That "energy is energy" does not mean scale is irrelevant. It just means that, energy is energy. A true enough statement on it's own.

Except when it isn't. The Superlaser thing was an extreme example, but you never did counter the argument that under the mentality you used, Vader should handidly be able to redirect a beam as small as IM's tribeam.

If your altering your stance to, say that the 'INTENSITY' matters, then you are adding in another analytical factor, thus going back over your own "Over-analysing" statement.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Right, so on the one hand, determining scale is not over analysing, but everything else about it apparently is. Even when the types of damage is completely different.

Like I said I'd say it's over-analyzing it.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Except when it isn't. The Superlaser thing was an extreme example, but you never did counter the argument that under the mentality you used, Vader should handidly be able to redirect a beam as small as IM's tribeam.

If your altering your stance to, say that the 'INTENSITY' matters, then you are adding in another analytical factor, thus going back over your own "Over-analysing" statement.

😂

I'm not altering any stance. As I said right from the start:

Originally posted by ares834
Regardless, I doubt Vader can block IM's laser for long.