Thor (Age of Ultron) VS Superman (Man of Steel)

Originally posted by FrothByte
Speed equalized doesn't mean fighting ability is equalized. Hulk was never able to land a hit on Thor unless it was a cheapshot or if Thor was already off his feet.

IM also had trouble landing hits on Thor. IIRC, all the hits he landed were due to him using his thrusters. When they stood toe to toe he couldn't land a hit except for the headbutt.

That said, I want to make myself clear. Superman can hit Thor. Just that he'll mostly miss whereas Thor will connect with regularity.

Hulk pounded Thor Once and it wasn't a cheap shot, though Thor did block it.

And Iron man kicked Thor through a tree.

Who exactly did Thor dodge to make you think he would miss? He dodged hulk, but we both know there is a very big speed difference between Hulk and These two.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Hulk pounded Thor Once and it wasn't a cheap shot, though Thor did block it.

And Iron man kicked Thor through a tree.

Who exactly did Thor dodge to make you think he would miss? He dodged hulk, but we both know there is a very big speed difference between Hulk and These two.

So has Hulk ever actually HIT Thor without it being a cheap shot or when he wasn't off his feat?

IM kicked Thor through tree and as I said, he had used his thrusters yes?

As for Superman, if you read my original response I said Superman wins if he has his superspeed. But if speed was made equal then he really wouldn't be any faster than Hulk would he?

Originally posted by abhilegend
What are you talking about now? Faora was faster than Thor could ever hope to be and Superman had no problem tagging her.

Thor couldn't react to Tony firing his repulsor and flying away, fell flat on his face. To think Thor is going to be untouchable here is nonsense. Hulk was an out of control savage, Superman isn't.

Pish. If you bothered to read the arguments between me and TI, you'd know that we were arguing only IF speed was equal. We both agree Superman wins if he has his superspeed.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So has Hulk ever actually HIT Thor without it being a cheap shot or when he wasn't off his feat?

IM kicked Thor through tree and as I said, he had used his thrusters yes?

As for Superman, if you read my original response I said Superman wins if he has his superspeed. But if speed was made equal then he really wouldn't be any faster than Hulk would he?

I believe Thor was on his feet when Hulk had struck.

You said headbutt though

Thor is faster than hulk, we actually saw Superman being able to strike faster than Thor when him and Zod went H2H fighting skills.

Also Running speed/Flying speed shouldn't really = Fighting speed

Unless of course that's what the OP meant.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Speed equalized doesn't mean fighting ability is equalized. Hulk was never able to land a hit on Thor unless it was a cheapshot or if Thor was already off his feet.

IM also had trouble landing hits on Thor. IIRC, all the hits he landed were due to him using his thrusters. When they stood toe to toe he couldn't land a hit except for the headbutt.

That said, I want to make myself clear. Superman can hit Thor. Just that he'll mostly miss whereas Thor will connect with regularity.

Really though, we have seen plenty of people tag Thor, even that frost giant. When Thor lost his powers, he didn't lose any sort of speed, so when he fought that big guy at the shield base, he was able to tag him. Iron Man, with or without repulsers hit him. Loki can tag him, Ultron can, Hulk can, Mal can, point is, Thor has gotten tagged by lots less then.

If we go back to raw strength and durability MoS has that as well, so even if Thor dodges, he isn't dodging them all. Superman learns pretty fast as shown in H2H. And once he starts landing punches he will go down. Rewatch the Kurse fight and tell me I'm wrong. Kurse was a slow moving tank with no flight and he rocked him back.

Also we are equalizing speed, and MOS can still fly like you said, he will use flight ability like a machine. He will still use that to close the gaps, and toss Thor around, much like Iron Man did when he used his flight to close the gaps, but Kals will be a lot faster.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Really though, we have seen plenty of people tag Thor, even that frost giant. When Thor lost his powers, he didn't lose any sort of speed, so when he fought that big guy at the shield base, he was able to tag him. Iron Man, with or without repulsers hit him. Loki can tag him, Ultron can, Hulk can, Mal can, point is, Thor has gotten tagged by lots less then.

If we go back to raw strength and durability MoS has that as well, so even if Thor dodges, he isn't dodging them all. Superman learns pretty fast as shown in H2H. And once he starts landing punches he will go down. Rewatch the Kurse fight and tell me I'm wrong. Kurse was a slow moving tank with no flight and he rocked him back.

Also we are equalizing speed, and MOS can still fly like you said, he will use flight ability like a machine. He will still use that to close the gaps, and toss Thor around, much like Iron Man did when he used his flight to close the gaps, but Kals will be a lot faster.

The problem is, all those people who tagged Thor were all fighters of some sort. Some highly trained (like the SHIELD agents), some warrior veterans (like the frost giants) and some just have way more fight experience than Kal (like IM). In fact when you think about it, Kal will be the least experienced fighter Thor would ever have faced.

As I previously mentioned, Kal will hit Thor, he'll just have a way harder time hitting him than the other way around. And considering the amount of power Thor hits with Mjolnir then it's looking pretty bad for Superman.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The problem is, all those people who tagged Thor were all fighters of some sort. Some highly trained (like the SHIELD agents), some warrior veterans (like the frost giants) and some just have way more fight experience than Kal (like IM). In fact when you think about it, Kal will be the least experienced fighter Thor would ever have faced.

As I previously mentioned, Kal will hit Thor, he'll just have a way harder time hitting him than the other way around. And considering the amount of power Thor hits with Mjolnir then it's looking pretty bad for Superman.

Maybe before the movie, but these threads go of post movie events, in which Kal has complete control of his powers.

As far as the hammer hits, Kal could just block them like Mal did or beat the hammer away like Kurse did.

Originally posted by ares834
The shockwave generated by Thor hitting it....

Originally posted by FrothByte
Pish. If you bothered to read the arguments between me and TI, you'd know that we were arguing only IF speed was equal. We both agree Superman wins if he has his superspeed.

Based on Thor surfing his own city buster, how is MoS Superman even hurting him? Also lol @ Hulk not having Superspeed, did you not see him running away from Widow, and her not even closely keeping up?

Thor wins.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Based on Thor surfing his own city buster, how is MoS Superman even hurting him?

The same way Kurse did..by punching him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It kept increasing exponentially as stated by Tony. Him hitting wouldn't be enough as per the movie.

No such thing is said. He says he will cause it to keep "doubling back" which is an expression that means to return it back where it came from not actually double it.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Maybe before the movie, but these threads go of post movie events, in which Kal has complete control of his powers.

As far as the hammer hits, Kal could just block them like Mal did or beat the hammer away like Kurse did.

Yup, post movie events. In which case Kal has only been in 2 fights in his entire life. Like I said, he's still the least experienced fighter Thor has ever fought. If you completely took out all their powers, made them human and made them fight h2h, Thor would completely demolish him. It's only because I consider Superman stronger, more durable and more mobile than Thor that I'm saying this is a close match.

Maelkith had the power of the Aether when he blocked Mjolnir. If Kal tries to block it with his arm that would be the end of the fight right there.

To beat the hammer away like curse did he'd have to prove that he has the fighter reflexes to do something like that... something that he has yet to show.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even with equal speed, how would Thor Dodge him? Was there any mention of Hulk being as fast as Thor and Thor using his skills that I missed?

You do realize that when a fighter blocks or dodges a blow it's not really that much about speed as it is about timing, technique, muscle memory and reflexes right?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yup, post movie events. In which case Kal has only been in 2 fights in his entire life. Like I said, he's still the least experienced fighter Thor has ever fought. If you completely took out all their powers, made them human and made them fight h2h, Thor would completely demolish him. It's only because I consider Superman stronger, more durable and more mobile than Thor that I'm saying this is a close match.

Maelkith had the power of the Aether when he blocked Mjolnir. If Kal tries to block it with his arm that would be the end of the fight right there.

To beat the hammer away like curse did he'd have to prove that he has the fighter reflexes to do something like that... something that he has yet to show.

Even if he did have the Aether, MoS would wipe the floor with Mal. So MoS>Mal w/Aether. So it does not mean much other then it helped him keep up with Thor.

Kal weakened took down the world engine.

What strength feats does Thor have? Because charged hammer strikes are not strength feats..thats a weapon feat.

Originally posted by ares834
No such thing is said. He says he will cause it to keep "doubling back" which is an expression that means to return it back where it came from not actually double it.

Exactly. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/double+back

double back

vb
1. (intr, adverb) to go back in the opposite direction (esp in the phrase double back on one's tracks)

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Even if he did have the Aether, MoS would wipe the floor with Mal. So MoS>Mal w/Aether. So it does not mean much other then it helped him keep up with Thor.

Kal weakened took down the world engine.

What strength feats does Thor have? Because charged hammer strikes are not strength feats..thats a weapon feat.

MOS would only stand a chance against Mal with Aether if he had his superspeed. If that's taken out then I don't see how he can take out Maelkith.

Thor strength feat? How about blocking a punch from a completely enraged Hulk? Hulk who has enough punching power to stop a leviathan in it's tracks. Thor is not as strong as the Hulk and he's not as strong as Superman, but he's strong enough to keep up. What he does have is a lot more hitting/striking power than either of them. And in a fight, that matters more than strength (unless this becomes a grappling match).

Thor also has AOE attacks and more versatile ranged attacks. Some of his lightning attacks doesn't seem to even need to be aimed.

Originally posted by FrothByte
What he does have is a lot more hitting/striking power than either of them. And in a fight, that matters more than strength (unless this becomes a grappling match).

Originally posted by FrothByte
MOS would only stand a chance against Mal with Aether if he had his superspeed. If that's taken out then I don't see how he can take out Maelkith.

Thor strength feat? How about blocking a punch from a completely enraged Hulk? Hulk who has enough punching power to stop a leviathan in it's tracks. Thor is not as strong as the Hulk and he's not as strong as Superman, but he's strong enough to keep up. What he does have is a lot more hitting/striking power than either of them. And in a fight, that matters more than strength (unless this becomes a grappling match).

Thor also has AOE attacks and more versatile ranged attacks. Some of his lightning attacks doesn't seem to even need to be aimed.

So his blocking feat on the helicarrier is his only strength feat and we gonna power scale that to a leviathan level strength feat? No...it doesn't work that way.

You keep wanting to take away his speed. Then lets take away Thor's hammer😂 I mean cmon now this is getting silly. Even if he lost his speed he could still fly. Are we limiting how fast he can fly now if we take away his speed, because he uses his flight mainly as his speed to close the distance.

MOS also has a heavy hitting ranged attack as well. So he's not stuck to H2H, and most likely it would get into a brawl/grabble like it did with Hulk, Ironman, Loki, Kurse and everyone else he fought. So the amazing skill Thor has will be met with MoS superior strength and durability.