Originally posted by The_Tempest
And then she tagged him again and behold, the last shot is of him limping across the planet.
Oh, you mean that scene where she caught him completely off guard when he was trying to pull the holocron away from Ezra.
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Maybe I should use such logic for when Vader catches Palpatine off guard and throws him down a shaft. Vader > Palpatine confirmed. stoned
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
She got shit on, was constantly off balance, and needed to wait while he was turned around to even get close. It was completely one-sided. The most impressive feat she'll ever have is not dying instantly.
I'm tired AF and you're clearly upset, so we'll reconvene when I've caught some Zs and your tears have dried.
Night folks
I thought she did reasonably well, but on the scene in the ledge he was pretty clearly battering her down and had her on the defensive for most of the duel, other than when he had his back turned and she got that cheap shot when he barely turned back.
All and all she held her own, but if the fight took place again he'd be the obvious victor. She's above Ventress based on her brief duels with Maul and Vader though for sure
Originally posted by NewGuy01👆
It looks like Ahsoka indeed stands above Ventress after all, but I think this episode made it clear that Maul is still noticeably better. She fared pretty damn well against him and Vader, but his utter dismantling of the Inquisitors was cringe-inducing.I do think Vader vs Ahsoka was definitely leaning in favor of Vader, but all things considered Ahsoka fared really well. She can't win against Vader, though; she's no Obi-Wan Kenobi, ultimately.
Just rewatched it.
Vader was driving the offensive during the second half, but in no way was he dominating her and the claim that she was 'constantly off balance' is bullshit. Vader was clearly physically stronger than her which allowed him to drive her back after the initial bout, but in absolutely no way does that warrant the term 'domination' or anything similar, and it doesn't necessarily mean she was losing. I think Ahsoka got maybe two physical strikes in during the fight, and they both Force pushed each other once. So honestly, claiming Ahsoka is 'well below' Vader is just unsupported crap.
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She was knocked off balance multiple times in that second half. Vader by contrast is in control, driving her back, and almost entirely on the offensive.
There's no real parity between the two. Vader is clearly her superior. And while the may have both force pushed one another, one push did virtually nothing while the other "won" the fight.
Originally posted by ares834Can you tell me where? And while he was certainly driving her back and on the offensive, Ahsoka was countering too often and at least attempting to bring her own offensive to bare during that fight, so it wasn't some complete domination that you're trying to make it out to be.
😬She was knocked off balance multiple times in that second half. Vader by contrast is in control, driving her back, and almost entirely on the offensive.
There's no real parity between the two. Vader is clearly her superior. And while the may have both force pushed one another, one push did virtually nothing while the other "won" the fight.
I don't think Ahsoka is equal to Vader, but she was doing too well to call it one-sided.
And okay? Ahsoka didn't have the benefit of Vader being on the edge of a cliff when she pushed him.
Literally every clash from 2:47 onwards has her getting knocked around. 2:35 we see her staggering and Vader knocking her around a bit. The far off shots are a bit harder to tell but there are a few more clashes where she seems to be getting battered like at around 2:45. Also I'm not saying he stomped her or even dominated her. He did seem quite superior though and the fight seemed fairly one sided near the end there...
It's almost as if using the environment is part of a fight. Who knew?
Originally posted by ares834Nah.
Literally every clash from 2:47 on wards has her getting knocked around. 2:35 we see her staggering and Vader knocking her around a bit. The far off shots are a bit harder to tell but there are a few more clashes where she seems to be getting battered like at around 2:45. Also I'm not saying he stomped her or even dominated her. He did seem quite superior though and the fight seemed fairly one sided near the end there...
At 2:35 she's simply redirecting his strikes and/or meeting them with her own so that Vader isn't constantly pounding on her ass.
At 2:40 you see a counterattack by her.
From 2:41 - 2:51 it's basically them trading blows, not a domineering Vader offensive.
At 2:53 she gets pushed back and Vader capitalizes via BFR.
Originally posted by ares834Yeah, and it's almost as if the whole point in me mentioning their respective Force pushes was to point out the fact that neither had a Force advantage.
It's almost as if using the environment is part of a fight. Who knew?
Originally posted by |King Joker|
Nah.At 2:35 she's simply redirecting his strikes and/or meeting them with her own so that Vader isn't constantly pounding on her ass.
At 2:40 you see a counterattack by her.
From 2:41 - 2:51 it's basically them trading blows, not a domineering Vader offensive.
At 2:53 she gets pushed back and Vader capitalizes via BFR.
Yeah, and it's almost as if the whole point in me mentioning their respective Force pushes was to point out the fact that neither had a Force advantage.
I dunno what you are watching. She is staggering back from blocking Vader's blows. It's not simple at all. It's especially obvious on those close up shots.
And merely force pushing someone does not suggest parity in the force. Kenobi has force pushed Maul before and I doubt anyone would argue that those two are equal in force powers. With that said, based solely on this duel, there isn't enough to say who wields more formidable force powers. But, it seems clear that Vader is solidly the superior combatant overall.
Originally posted by ares834The only part she staggers is 2:53 and 2:55, when he forces her back in bladelocks. You're claiming she's getting knocked around a lot more than she actually was.
I dunno what you are watching. She is staggering back from blocking Vader's blows. It's not simple at all. It's especially obvious on those close up shots.
Originally posted by ares834When Kenobi legitimately Force pushes Maul in his prime akin to Ahsoka pushing Vader let me know.
And merely force pushing someone does not suggest parity in the force. Kenobi has force pushed Maul before and I doubt anyone would argue that those two are equal in force powers. With that said, based solely on this duel, there isn't enough to say who wields more formidable force powers. But, it seems clear that Vader is solidly the superior combatant overall.
Regardless, I don't think we're going to convince one another so continuing this debate seems pointless.
You and Freshest will be the first to be targeted in my Ahsoka crusade though, don't you worry. 🙂
No she is staggering all over there. In fact, at one point in the long shot I think it's around 2:45 she is knocked on her knees and hands though she manages to recover quickly with an attack. It's far more obvious on a cleaner stream like the Disney XD site if you have access to that. She's just getting battered around there by Vader.
It's not a bad thing that she was outmatched. It is Vader after all. A character confirmed to be the best duelist of the Sith. 🙂
She really isn't. And from where I'm watching it she drops down on one knee to attack Vader's legs -- Vader definitely didn't knock her down.
She's being pushed back by his strength but by no means is she getting battered -- she's using her agility and quick counters to stave him off.
I'm not about to go back in this cluster**** of a thread to see if you've posted your opinions on what level you think Ahsoka is at, but what might that level be?
When she blocks his blows her sabers are often knocked back and she takes a step back... That's getting battered around, knocked back, whatever you wish to call it. And she got down on her knees and caught herself immediately after Vader did an overhand chop. Seems like the obvious conclusion is he drove her down.
As for her level, I initially suspected she was going to end up around Ventress level. After this episode, I figure she is approximately on Maul's. Quite impressive.