How Powerful Is Ahsoka Now?

Originally posted by ares834
When she blocks his blows her sabers are often knocked back and she takes a step back... That's getting battered around, knocked back, whatever you wish to call it. And she got down on her knees and caught herself immediately after Vader did an overhand chop. Seems like the obvious conclusion is he drove her down.

As for her level, I initially suspected she was going to end up around Ventress level. After this episode, I figure she is approximately on Maul's. Quite impressive.

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He held a strength advantage, she held the speed advantage. It's all well and good suggesting she "wasn't on the back foot, he was just stronger" but if you look at the two of them, her speed advantage did absolutely nothing against him. He battered her around constantly forcing her guard down, the only reason he couldn't actually finish her was the aforementioned speed advantage that she has over him.

It's why she ended up being force pushed off the edge of the temple. He battered her lightsabers away one too many times, got bored of her shit and exploited the rather obvious hole in her defense that appeared every time she tried to block his strikes.

She was quite obviously outclassed here. Put up a damn good fight, much better than I expected at least, but she was outmatched. It's rather simple 😬

Originally posted by |King Joker|
It proves she isn't out of her depth in a Force contest.

Just rewatched the duel and I stand by my observation. This wasn't a stomp or even blatantly one-sided.

This was no where near a stomp, but I do think Vader always had the upper hand with the exception of the first couple of seconds.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Just rewatched the duel and I stand by my observation. This wasn't a stomp or even blatantly one-sided.

Curious Tempest, do you believe Maul is as good a swordsman/ as powerful as he was in the Clone Wars? And do you think Ahsoka is his equal as of TCWs? Inferior or superior?

Ahsoka was definitely on the defensive, but that doesn't really make it one sided. Vader's a mn aggressor due to sheer size and strength. Ahsoka gave ground but wasn't outskilled, outpaced, outmaneuvered, or even overpowered.

Stark, I think it's pretty heavily implied that Maul's taken a dip. In Rebels Recon, Witwer says Maul's frailty is genuine. Perhaps not that he's weaker, just a bit rusty.

Yeah, she was on the defensive the whole duel, and only managed to land that strike on Vader when he was distracted with Kanan and Ezra.

Still, I hold that this was not a stomp by any means, and she held her own quite well. I'm thinking she's Maul level.

Originally posted by ares834
Oh, you mean that scene where she caught him completely off guard when he was trying to pull the holocron away from Ezra.

mhmm

Maybe I should use such logic for when Vader catches Palpatine off guard and throws him down a shaft. Vader > Palpatine confirmed. stoned

Pfft, Sheev wouldn't struggle with some two bit scrub like Ahsoka.

But no, I'm obviously not marking Vader down for the hit he took to the face. But she did land a TK strike on him and she did hold her own extremely well against him.

She's even with Maul, and she held her own against Vader, she's not bad at all.

I agree with Temp, Vader displayed a firm advantage but at no point was he successful at breaking through her lightsaber defenses.

I found Ahsoka driving Vader back with her TK was quite impressive. I don't believe it demonstrates parity but not just everyone can blow Vader back with a push. Its obvious at the very least that Vader was not powerful enough to ragdoll, which speaks volumes regarding her ability as his ragdolling potential should be vast.

Ahsoka also demonstrated a distinct speed advantage over him, I mean at the beginning of the fight she was all over him:

She fully kicks him in the face before he can even swing, and evades his subsequent attacks. Evidently she was not able to maintain this level of speed as her stamina flags soon after, but against Vader that's very impressive, and I'm inclined to say many a lesser combatant would have succumbed to that offensive burst.

What people also seem to be missing is that there is a full 50 second gap between Ahsoka fighting Vader inside the pyramid, and out of it. During which he barely drives her beyond the entrance. Clearly she wasn't being driven back the entire time.

In fact here in particular she contends with Vader without losing ground:

On the other hand, though she had difficulty with his strength, she is never fully overpowered, and in fact at one point she throws him off:

Finally Vader was not caught "completely" off guard by the attack that tore through his mask, he raises a blade to deflect and she blows right through it.

A circumstantial feat nonetheless but again, speaks volumes regarding his offensive ability. And frankly the fact she was able to move fast enough to catch him off-guard is itself impressive.

Altogether, Ahsoka lasted a full two minutes and 40 seconds against Vader before he BF'red her. Longer than anyone else has. Which was really just good use of the environment on Vader's part, we've no reason to assume the fight could not have gone on longer, which frankly makes it something of a marathon engagement.

Which is very telling, especially considering Ahsoka wields such a Force intensive style.

Also are we going to overlook the fact that this duel took place on not only a planet presumably strong in the dark side, but at the focal point of a powerful Sith Temple, resonating with life destroying energy compared to Starkiller Base?

Let me remind y'all what that could mean:

I think its reasonable to assume that Vader (and Maul even) would be amped, and Ahsoka weakened.

Altogether as of now I've inclined to believe that Ahsoka is frankly a little better than I predicted. I'd pit her as equal to Maul in his prime and superior to Maul as of Rebels. Certainly better than Ventress, and superior to your average Jedi Council member e.g. Kit Fisto, Plo Koon, and Shaak Ti.

And on that note time to go to town on the vs. forum. 🙂

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Where are people getting the idea that she is even with Maul? Frankly, I thought the implication was that she is better than Maul. Hell, Maul didn't even entertain the notion of facing Vader alone, but Ahsoka did without hesitation.

How the frig did they survive the blast at the end haha that's what I wanna know

Heh. I was surprised nobody brought up the dark side nexus until now. Though, if that’s from the Force and Destiny rulebook, I’m still not convinced that that source is canon.

As for the duel, we don’t know if the entire sequence was real time or if that Kanan/Ezra scene was happening concurrently with the second half of their duel.

Just to be clear, I’m not saying what Ahsoka did was unimpressive. In fact, it was very impressive. Rather she seems to be at a significant disadvantage in the second portion of the duel.

Tempest just doesn't want to admit that because he still has the fool notion that Vader isn't Sidious' superior like TFA's visual dictionary clearly says. 🙂

He's living in the past. At long last, Vader's time has come.

I'm not yet convinced that Ahsoka did any better against Vader than Bariss did against Anakin.

She did better because Vader was obviously trying to murder Ahsoka here, even if deep down he wants her to flee.

Originally posted by ares834
He's living in the past. At long last, Vader's time has come.