Originally posted by cdtm
But he already has a much better Ultra SSJ power up (Where Trunks becomes super bulky, and gains enough power to one shot Perfect Cell).A SSJ Kaio Ken should be redundant.
Originally posted by bbrem123
seems like dbz fillers are canon.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
It looks like those episode title things were wrong, Goku didn't go SSJB when his match started; or at all, thusfar.
To be honest, it makes sense enough to me. If I try to make it make sense, at least.
In the past, using Kaio-Ken in SSJ was simply impractical; it put far too much strain on the body for to provide too little of a boost for too little time to be helpful while using the already encumbering SSJ. The alternative "SSJ upgrades" were simply much more practical.
Now, however, the roles are reversed. Evolving to SSJ2 and 3 is almost meaningless, it's exhausting and the boost they provide is all but irrelevant compared to their god power. Kaio-Ken, however, simply focuses the capabilities of a fighter into a single heartbeat, so it could theoretically still apply and be effective. Especially now that power multiplications are practically impossible to achieve, the strain has become worth the advantages.
Hm, perhaps... Although the last time he canonly used Kaioken was 20x against Frieza, and even then he couldn't keep up with the strain it put on the body in addition to Frieza still toying with him at the time, so I question his ability to have mastered the technique since then. If we get some kind of explanation for using it now though like what you described, I guess it may be a pill I could swallow, but meh. Will have to see.
True, I guess. If Vegeta is still stronger than kaioken-less Goku, then he'd still be able to keep up in the long run, I reckon. Even in their first fight in the saiyan saga he was able to counter the Kaioken, to some level.
But Goku still being able to have an edge even when Vegeta becomes a bit stronger must sting for certain fans, I'm sure. =p
Originally posted by EstacadoI see it as showing what vegetas real weakness is. In the ROF despite the ending we saw what gokus issues were in battle. Hes too relaxed. Vegeta has the opposite problem. Hes so wound tight that his reflexes are shot to hell. Gokus style would counter hit way more than vegetas. Makes sense why whis would keep his mouth shut on beating it. I can get behind this explaination way more than some stupid shit like super saiyan god 2 or whatever.
Well Base Goku just made SSB Vegeta look like a noob.....ermm
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
I see it as showing what vegetas real weakness is. In the ROF despite the ending we saw what gokus issues were in battle. Hes too relaxed. Vegeta has the opposite problem. Hes so wound tight that his reflexes are shot to hell. Gokus style would counter hit way more than vegetas. Makes sense why whis would keep his mouth shut on beating it. I can get behind this explaination way more than some stupid shit like super saiyan god 2 or whatever.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
I haven't had a chance to watch any eps since Goku's loss to Frost. Could someone catch me up on what has happened?
Frost was caught cheating, and was disqualified, with Goku's loss nullified. Vegeta insisted on fighting him anyways, and beat him easily. Then he won two in a row (Including a very interesting one against the alt universe Saiyan), before dropping to the last guy, an assassin named Hit.
Then Goku steps up and wins via plot device, apparently. Haven't actually seen that part of it yet.