Originally posted by HueyFreemanMaybe.
I see it as showing what vegetas real weakness is. In the ROF despite the ending we saw what gokus issues were in battle. Hes too relaxed. Vegeta has the opposite problem. Hes so wound tight that his reflexes are shot to hell. Gokus style would counter hit way more than vegetas. Makes sense why whis would keep his mouth shut on beating it. I can get behind this explaination way more than some stupid shit like super saiyan god 2 or whatever.
I see it more as Goku actually knowing about it a little with his discussions with Jaco and the King. Plus seeing it.
Vegeta just thought he could power through Hit while leaving himself open. He struck where Hit was rather than where he thinks he'll be. Goku is just showing Vegeta that Hit isn't really more powerful than them, he's just hitting him in weakpoints. Hell the last attack Vegeta did he was learning except he left a fist in his presumed weakpoint. He just tried to power through that.
Had the order been reversed it would have been the same thing IMO.
Basically Vegeta is leaving himself open like Goku does. And Goku is playing defense and guesswork to get a measure of Hit. Along with him already knowing what to expect a little bit.
It doesn't look great for Vegeta, but it makes sense the way it's playing out. Universe 6 is just tricks besides Cabba.
Also Nipples fainted when he saw Blue, and it seemed Whis spilled the beans on him being a pussy in front of Piccolo. Curious what he said.
Originally posted by One Big MobSo it's kind of like what we saw during the Cell saga, then? Goku fought Cell first, because it gave Gohan a chance to see how Cell fought so that he was better prepared. mmm
Maybe.I see it more as Goku actually knowing about it a little with his discussions with Jaco and the King. Plus seeing it.
Vegeta just thought he could power through Hit while leaving himself open. He struck where Hit was rather than where he thinks he'll be. Goku is just showing Vegeta that Hit isn't really more powerful than them, he's just hitting him in weakpoints. Hell the last attack Vegeta did he was learning except he left a fist in his presumed weakpoint. He just tried to power through that.
Had the order been reversed it would have been the same thing IMO.
Originally posted by Galan007
I'm asking because I don't watch the ridiculousness that is DBS. srsly
Hit has Guldo's power, essentially. According to Goku, it's only 0.1 seconds or something, but that was enough for Hit to cross the entire arena and nail Vegeta in a vital spot.
Goku "predicting" where he's going to hit and pre-blocking would require Hit to punch directly into his guard on purpose, unless skipping makes him blind or something..
Originally posted by Galan007
I'm asking because I don't watch the ridiculousness that is DBS.bran's synopsis just sounded like Goku was able to do better against this "Hit" because he already had some type of bearing on his abilities and whatnot after watching him fight Vegeta. Hence my question.
What Bran said is correct.
While Hit is powerful I dont think he is more powerful than SSJB. But his timeskip/0.1 second skill and hit's vital organ/pressure point attacks are his strengths that make him take advantage of more powerful foes.
Goku had time to see and learn Hit's fighting style and went into the fight prepared. Vegeta went in blind and was already in an arrogant mindstate having been on a winning streak. Vegeta eventually was catching on to Hit's techniques, but he had already took a large amount of damage by that point.
Originally posted by cdtm
Hit has Guldo's power, essentially. According to Goku, it's only 0.1 seconds or something, but that was enough for Hit to cross the entire arena and nail Vegeta in a vital spot.Goku "predicting" where he's going to hit and pre-blocking would require Hit to punch directly into his guard on purpose, unless skipping makes him blind or something..
Exactly what was bothering me. Unless he doesn't have total control of the time skip, why isn't he just avoiding the guard. Unless its implied Goku is just that much faster...?
Originally posted by Galan007CD is just trying to explain why it doesn't make sense.
I'm asking because I don't watch the ridiculousness that is DBS.bran's synopsis just sounded like Goku was able to do better against this "Hit" because he already had some type of bearing on his abilities and whatnot after watching him fight Vegeta. Hence my question.
Guy's acting like I cut off his girlfriends face and then tried to have sex with him while he was into it, but then her face fell off halfway through.
Also, Hit's power was working so well against Vegeta not entirely because of speed, but because Vegeta was aiming directly at the target. All Hit had to do was something different.
Against Goku, Goku is going everywhere and trying to compensate for everything. Hit moves and Goku is accurately predicting where he goes.
You gotta realize although .1 seconds is huge, the DBZ fighters are incredibly fast. Plus Hit isn't expecting it. Once he pops back in Goku is already near his location. And the time skip isn't quite enough to compensate for it. Plus again, Hit isn't expecting it. He's still fighting like he presumably has against every other opponent he's fought. Both Goku and Hit are experiencing something new.
It might be stretching it a little, but it's not without some merit.
Hit isn't fast; were it not for his time skipping, he wouldn't even be able to touch Vegeta. He simply has incredibly fast reaction times that let's him dodge Vegeta, a time-skipping ability that let's him hit Vegeta, and a pressure-point technique that lets him hurt Vegeta. But once his tricks are out of the bag, his physical abilities aren't all that much more impressive than Frost's or Cabba's.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Hit isn't fast; were it not for his time skipping, he wouldn't even be able to touch Vegeta. He simply has incredibly fast reaction times that let's him dodge Vegeta, a time-skipping ability that let's him hit Vegeta, and a pressure-point technique that lets him hurt Vegeta. But once his tricks are out of the bag, his physical abilities aren't all that much more impressive than Frost's or Cabba's.
It was said that hit was mixing super speed with his technique.