Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Damborgson
Yeah, but I mean, look at Magetta. He was bored while Vegeta was trying...Vegeta should have been able to pick him up is all. Then they could have made Magetta smack him away or something.

Lol...naah, I didn't take it as that tbh. Magetta knows it is a ring out battle... I don't think he would allow anyone the opportunity to toss him out of the ring if he could resist. He didn't know if Vegeta could or couldn't pick him up. Also, that scene is vague when it comes to Magetta weight. It says he weighs OVER 1000 tons. How much is that? 1001 tons or 1 zillion tons. Both are over 1000 tons.

Heavier than anything that Superman can lift, that's for sure.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...naah, I didn't take it as that tbh. Magetta knows it is a ring out battle... I don't think he would allow anyone the opportunity to toss him out of the ring if he could resist. He didn't know if Vegeta could or couldn't pick him up. Also, that scene is vague when it comes to Magetta weight. It says he weighs OVER 1000 tons. How much is that? 1001 tons or 1 zillion tons. Both are over 1000 tons.

😂

You can't be serious with that kinda stretch.

You are better than that, I would think.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Heavier than anything that Superman can lift, that's for sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_2OCLpLC1s

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...naah, I didn't take it as that tbh. Magetta knows it is a ring out battle... I don't think he would allow anyone the opportunity to toss him out of the ring if he could resist. He didn't know if Vegeta could or couldn't pick him up. Also, that scene is vague when it comes to Magetta weight. It says he weighs OVER 1000 tons. How much is that? 1001 tons or 1 zillion tons. Both are over 1000 tons.

Bro 😬 Look at Magetta's face. He was bored. When have we had to read that much into a scene?

IIRC, it's not mentioned in the anime so it's irrelevant anyway.

There is no official statement anywhere about which takes priority over the other, i.e. which is "more canon."

The manga did come out a month before the anime however, so there's that.

Regardless, even if the anime takes precedence, then it would only do so in case of contradictions.

If the manga for example, gave the distance between two planets and the anime never even mentions it, is that something to toss out? Obviously not.

Same as here. The anime never contradicts the figure, so it makes sense to assume its accurate until we get conflicting info.

There is never been an official statement between the DBZ anime or Dragonball Manga either. So by the same logic we should treat it them both as canon as well as long as there are no contradictions.

Of course, people always took the manga as the canonical version because of Toriyama's involvement. Not sure why we aren't doing the same thing here? Oh, wait of course. Because it make the Z-fighters look weaker. Silly me.

Big T. doesn't have much more involvement with either one, as far as I know.

And I'm pretty sure he actually said he saw the anime as canon at some point.

It's been mentioned that he works with Toei on the anime. As far as I'm aware, nothing similar has been said about the manga other than it's based on his scripts. Furthermore, the manga has been called an "adaptation".

Never heard of that. Honestly, I always figured Toriyama didn't care about canon.

IIRC, that was the reason the quote was ultimately discarded by most fans. I could just be crazy, though.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Heavier than anything that Superman can lift, that's for sure.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial

Shut up Stilt

Originally posted by ares834
There is never been an official statement between the DBZ anime or Dragonball Manga either. So by the same logic we should treat it them both as canon as well as long as there are no contradictions.

We already do that.

Of course, people always took the manga as the canonical version because of Toriyama's involvement. Not sure why we aren't doing the same thing here? Oh, wait of course. Because it make the Z-fighters look weaker. Silly me. [/B]

Toriyama's level of involvement is pretty much the same on both. He does not draw the manga, but it credits him for the story. Obviously he does not animate the show either.

Super's manga did come before the show, however, so if anything the argument fits it better. It's also more streamlined than the show.

And no, idiot. Stop with the typical pre-emptive butthurt defense. That's not the reason.

Magetta's weight has been known for weeks now. The reason I never brought it up is because Vegeta did not seem to try to lift him in the show like he did in the manga.

So ultimately, it doesn't necessarily reflect his strength because that's a contradiction (the same way fillers are a contradiction). Magetta's weight itself is still stated and thus its an official figure, unless it gets contradicted somewhere else.

The question mark is still on what would take precedence.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Bro 😬 Look at Magetta's face. He was bored. When have we had to read that much into a scene?

I don't see anything wrong with his face tbh.

Originally posted by Kento
I watch it the same reason I have to see the travesty of Michael Bays Ninja Turtles... And why I watched GT.. It is part of the franchise and I am curious on how bad it will really be. That and sometimes it has good moments that make me hope for more. But it has cringe worthy moments too.

Same here.

And I thought GT wasn't all that bad. Sure, the SSJ4 looks screamed 1980's polyester, but at least they were something unique, instead of just different hair styles.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
We already do that.

No. We don't.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Toriyama's level of involvement is pretty much the same on both. He does not draw the manga, but it credits him for the story. Obviously he does not animate the show either.

Super's manga did come before the show, however, so if anything the argument fits it better. It's also more streamlined than the show.

There is no question here. Toriyama is actually stated to work with Toei on the anime. Nothing like that has been stated about the anime other than it's based on his story ideas. Beyond that, the manga has been called an adaptation of the anime.

And no, the manga isn't ahead of the anime. It was, for a time, but it has since fallen behind as I'm sure you are aware. And will likely continue to do so.

WTF Vegeta and a pacifier?! crylaugh

yea haha he didnt know what they where.

What a high quality anime. If you're one of those who like Monty Python's brand of diarreha, you'll love Dragon Ball Super. 😉

Originally posted by ares834
No. We don't.

Yes. We do.

It is same procedure as with anything else with canonical tiers. I.E. Primary canon, secondary canon etc.

This isn't anything special or restricted to DB.

There is no question here. Toriyama is actually stated to work with Toei on the anime. Nothing like that has been stated about the anime other than it's based on his story ideas. Beyond that, the manga has been called an adaptation of the anime.

Yes, there is question here.

What does a vague qualifier like 'work with' mean? Does he direct voice actors? Does he animate? No.

He provides a story, and it gets adapted by Toei, same as with the Mangaka.

Even still a tv production would naturally require more supervision than static drawings, so its not really meaningful.

I would like to see a translated citation of where this was actually stated that its an adaptation of the anime, and not just Toriyama's scripts/notes/instructions or what have you. If it exists, fair play to you.

But that is odd to say when the Manga did come out first.

And no, the manga isn't ahead of the anime. It was, for a time, but it has since fallen behind as I'm sure you are aware. And will likely continue to do so. [/B]

I didn't say it was ahead, I said it came out first, which it did. And that its streamlined. Which depending on how you view it, could be argued that it skips out on what is filler.

That being said, this situation is far trickier than normal Manga-Anime comparisons. Seeing as usually the anime is constrained by the manga's schedule.

In this case, its the opposite, but the waters are muddied by the fact that the manga still came out first and still moves the story along at a faster pace by skipping non-essential scenes.