Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Imagine Completed SSB Vegetto.
Yeah.
Manga wise it would be:
Perfect SSB Vegetto >> SSB Vegetto >= Beerus (as it is implied) >> Merged Zamasu >= Perfect SSB Goku >> SSB Goku >= SSB Vegeta > SSG Goku >= SSG Vegeta >>>> SSj2 Trunks > Future Zamasu.
Black somehow fits in after the latest iterations of SSB Goku/Vegeta.
I like it, since it makes much more sense than the ridicolous anime.
Also, basically here Perfect SSB is the equivalent of KKSSB in the anime.
Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
Yeah.Manga wise it would be:
Perfect SSB Vegetto >> SSB Vegetto >= Beerus (as it is implied) >> Merged Zamasu >= Perfect SSB Goku >> SSB Goku >= SSB Vegeta > SSG Goku >= SSG Vegeta >>>> SSj2 Trunks > Future Zamasu.
Black somehow fits in after the latest iterations of SSB Goku/Vegeta.
I like it, since it makes much more sense than the ridicolous anime.
Also, basically here Perfect SSB is the equivalent of KKSSB in the anime.
I feel like Perfect SSB Vegetto would be approaching or even rivaling Whis, and here's why:
1. Base SSB Vegetto is more powerful than even mastered SSB Goku. Base Vegetto casually blew Zamasu in half with a single attack. Keep in mind that Mastered SSB Goku rivals Zamasu, who previously oneshotted both SSB Goku and Vegeta (both stronger than SSG). So base Vegetto could probably take on Beerus without getting stomped.
2. Vegetto then goes SSB, which in the manga is an absolutely monumental boost of power. Merged Zamasu literally can't react to Vegetto at this point. Based on scaling and Shin's implication, this Vegetto should be more powerful than Beerus by a pretty good margin.
3. Mastered SSB allowed Goku to go from getting oneshotted by Merged Zamasu to stalemating him. Imagine what it'd do for SSB Vegetto, who leaks even more energy. At this point, I think he would be approaching or rivaling Whis.
Originally posted by carver9😕 Your point? Characters that by power scaling in the anime are few thousand times weaker than them were able to get out of the room without using a door. So he should easily be able to, in Base, be able to do the destroying the Room of Spirit and Time building without even needing to use Blue.
Not the exit. He was inside of the room when he destroyed it. Not outside of it. Get it?
So far besides Zeno, none of them have done anything as impressive as anime Buuhan though.
Originally posted by Inedian
It seems that Kai could bring some potential out of Goku.
That was supposed to be a joke power, going by Goku's reaction in the Buu Saga. Leave it to Toriyama to take his own joke seriously.
If all he could draw out is <<<<< god mode, how much would that even add to Goku's already absurdly amped Super Kaio-Ken?
Wouldn't mind seeing Vegeta get the amp and find out though. And someone could have pointed out Vegeta was training at that very moment in a room where a day is stretched out to a year.
Originally posted by cdtm
That was supposed to be a joke power, going by Goku's reaction in the Buu Saga. Leave it to Toriyama to take his own joke seriously.If all he could draw out is <<<<< god mode, how much would that even add to Goku's already absurdly amped Super Kaio-Ken?
Wouldn't mind seeing Vegeta get the amp and find out though. And someone could have pointed out Vegeta was training at that very moment in a room where a day is stretched out to a year.
Could he really bring something out of Goku. No mentions of that in Buu saga, only about Gohan. But of course, inconsitencies are all around here.
And Vegeta using ROSAT, wasnt that once or twice and that is it. They are using it whenever they like. And they could put Buu in there to get his sleep.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I feel like Perfect SSB Vegetto would be approaching or even rivaling Whis, and here's why:1. Base SSB Vegetto is more powerful than even mastered SSB Goku. Base Vegetto casually blew Zamasu in half with a single attack. Keep in mind that Mastered SSB Goku rivals Zamasu, who previously oneshotted both SSB Goku and Vegeta (both stronger than SSG). So base Vegetto could probably take on Beerus without getting stomped.
2. Vegetto then goes SSB, which in the manga is an absolutely monumental boost of power. Merged Zamasu literally can't react to Vegetto at this point. Based on scaling and Shin's implication, this Vegetto should be more powerful than Beerus by a pretty good margin.
3. Mastered SSB allowed Goku to go from getting oneshotted by Merged Zamasu to stalemating him. Imagine what it'd do for SSB Vegetto, who leaks even more energy. At this point, I think he would be approaching or rivaling Whis.
Also Shin said Vegeto might have surpassed Beerus, and Toyotaro was asked this question and didn't answer so they should be around the same level.
Originally posted by Nevan
Merged Zamasu never one-shotted SSB in the manga, hell he didn't even one-shot base saiyans.Also Shin said Vegeto might have surpassed Beerus, and was asked this question and didn't answer so they should be around the same level.
I shouldn't say oneshotted, but Merged Zamasu easily dominated both Goku and Vegeta. SSG Goku and Vegeta were both oneshotted back into base form by Merged Zamasu in the beginning of Chapter 23, then Goku goes SSB and Zamasu casually beats him down, noting that relative to himself, Goku "doesn't even appear to be moving." Point being, non mastered SSB is insignificant to Merged Zamasu.
On a side note, seeing a first glimpse of english dub Frieza on Super made me further realize how I miss the Linda Young Frieza... Might be a minority, but I kinda prefer her over the current english voice. She doesn't have that much range though I'll admit with how she sounded pretty much the same when she voiced Genkai in Yu Yu Hakusho, but IDK. I guess to me she often made Frieza sound more sinister, and plus she was the one who gave us the "five minutes" meme, like how Brian Drummond Vegeta gave us over 9000.
I wanted her to return as Frieza in like the RoF movie, but knew she wouldn't with how she got replaced early in DBZ Kai.
Dragon Ball Super is a truely historic anime.
It will go down in history as the anime that broke the fanbase, between the smart fans who finally accept power levels are bullshit and Superman stomping Goku is the only valid response, and the blithering idiots who like staring at the pretty colors and stupid explosions, and probably also think the Star Wars prequels is the best thing ever.