Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Originally posted by carver9
It doubles the strength, so koiken times 1 is a double and 2 is an added double.

This is what I'm referring to, XSupremex

8,000, 16,000, 24,000, 32,000

So it adds your base at each level.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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Vegeta's PL was 18000 in the Saiyan Saga. KK x2 wouldn't put Goku above him.

Good point.

I think x2 is base kaioken? No such thing is a x1?

Since x2 would be 8,000 (Not 9,000, the dub got that wrong) + 8,000, for a total of 16,000. Below Vegeta's 18,000.

And we know x3 = 24,000. That's 8,000 + 8,000 + 8,000.

See haha. Confusing as hell.

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As I suspected: LSSJ Kale is not Super Saiyan Blue level. Maybe Kafla will force Goku to go Blue. Also, Beerus is worried at the mere mention of Ultra Instinct. Whis says it's extremely difficult for Gods of Destruction to even attain Ultra Instinct, much less master it like Whis has. I maintain that the angels are a few orders of magnitude above UI Goku/Jiren.

Boring ass episode. Looks like next week will be the same as well with

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the two fusing only at the end.

I just want Caulifla to go ssj3 already....or Blue. or something.

Also, it makes no sense how Goku can be winning in base form, he gets 100x stronger and still isn't just owning face. Or how Caulifla can be in awe of ssj3 power after seeing Jiren and ssb and all that...

It was pretty clear that Goku was just clowning them. And SSB uses god ki so they won't be able to sense it. Presumably the same is true of Jiren.

With that said, power levels have become mostly irrelevant on this show a while back.

The fight choreography of the episode felt more on par with Z, so I liked it for that. The SSJ2 action reminded me much of Goku vs Vegeta (Buu saga).

I actually liked the beginning of the fight where weakened Goku was holding his own by relying on actual martial art skill, techniques and tactics. Shame the writers got bored of that after 10 seconds. Really got my hopes up.

I liked it all throughout, but that part was probably the most notable.

Still don’t like the

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fusion

Oh I liked the fight, specially the beginning. And it was made very clear that Caulifla was getting stronger and not at the top end of her power either. It's just one of those things, that she suddenly gets 100x stronger dues ex machina. And now they probably aren't even going to give her ssj3...

Jesus, the animation really took a nosedive. It was practically a slideshow at times. I guess they're skimping since the awful ratings on their special.

The fighting was just a waste of time. Kale and Califila are two characters I could care less about, and they won't matter to the main story. It's padding, and it should have happened sooner.

At least this proves once and for all that skill can beat power.

Great episode.

The worst episode of ToP. It was really boring and waste of time. I think this was the worst episode for me in DBS actually.

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Episode was phuckin dumb.
I mean people were more hyped about a spar between 2 ssj2 then they were about Goku vs Jiren.
"So this is is what two SSJ2 fighting looks like.." hilarious.

Saiyan chicks bump their power in like 3 seconds from not being able to hold against normal Goku to working SSJ2.

Krinolin is doin the usual Goku d1ckride/episode.

Shit was a total waste and the fusion in next episode...come on people want Toppo vs Vegeta not this crap..

The worst ToP episode still easily goes to Tien’s elimination, at least for me.

Originally posted by Estacado
I mean people were more hyped about a spar between 2 ssj2 then they were about Goku vs Jiren.

Agree on Vegeta vs Toppo though.

Krinolin was kinda more amazed about the ssj2 fight then the Goku vs Jiren one he even noted "Unbelievable so this is a fight between 2 ssj 2.”

Also a lot of others seems just as amazed like it was Jiren vs Goku again.

I mean ffs like 3 minutes ago you just saw 2 godlike beings dukin it out, 2 ssj fighting cant be more impressive then that.

The animation was done well, cant deny that.

Not actual people though was refering inside the anime.😛

Goku should be able to backhand these trannies with ease in base form. Don't care how tired he is.

Kinda interesting how preview says Kale becomes a true legendary super saiyan....

Cant hear Goku say densetsu no so translation could be off...