Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Galan007
Ki blasts DO become faster the more powerful they are -- this very episode confirms as much.

When the black hole was first manifested, #18 fired a small/generic ki blast at the 'Love Trio', and it was immediately pulled in/absorbed... When Goku fired his Kamehameha, however, the results were obviously much different.

That's just db inconsistency. Krillin's much more powerful attack on the Saibamen sure wasn't faster then generic attacks. It was specifically stated to be slower.

Originally posted by carver9
If he is evil, who could stop him (besides Zeno). There isn't a thing anyone could do to prevent whatever intentions he have from existing.

What blast during that time was faster than Krillin attack? How fast was Krillin blast.

Originally posted by Kento
His sons? Jiren and Goku fusion,

Lol... you know that wouldn't be enough.

Originally posted by Kento
See, that's what I've thought since the beginning, that the GP is the strongest being in creation But he's like Whis to the Zeno's Beerus. Cause the Angels are all > G.o.D's. That's whY I don't think he's evil. He has no reason to be, he's already pretty much running things, why change that? He even had Zeno spare all his kids.

And we know it's not a one time thing exclusive to the ToP, because when Zen-Oh originally toyed with the idea of wiping out most the the universes earlier in the story, Daishinkan was going to have each Guide Angel withdraw from their universes first:

...Just makes me wonder why Zen-Oh would spare them? Is it out of respect(ie. he'd feel bad killing Daishinkan's children)..? Or is it because Angels are beyond even Zen-Oh's ability to erase(cuz Daishinkan himself is >😉..? Intriguing either way.

Originally posted by cdtm
That's just db inconsistency. Krillin's much more powerful attack on the Saibamen sure wasn't faster then generic attacks. It was specifically stated to be slower.

Nah, Zen-Oh could erase them if he wanted to, (hence why Daishinkan wants the angels to withdraw back to Zen-Oh's realm first,) but as Whis (and Toriyama) said, the angels are dispatched by Omni-King/Grand Priest, hence why they're not erased:

Here.

And here.

As far as I'm concerned, it's as just about literally every character has said: Omni-King is BY FAR the most powerful being in existence, Daishinkan included.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nah, Zen-Oh could erase them if he wanted to, (hence why Daishinkan wants the angels to withdraw back to Zen-Oh's realm first,) but as Whis (and Toriyama) said, the angels are dispatched by Omni-King/Grand Priest, hence why they're not erased:

Here.

And here.

As far as I'm concerned, it's as just about literally every character has said: Omni-King is BY FAR the most powerful being in existence, Daishinkan included.

And yet he can't even follow a high level fight. Who would have floated in a void forever if Goku didn't rescue him.

The circumstantial evidence that he's a glass cannon with serious weaknesses is stacking up.

No. There's a reason Zen-Oh's guards were scared shitless when he threatened to erase them. They were 3 feet from Zen-Oh. They probably wouldn't be afraid if they knew they could stop Zen-Oh from erasing them.

The Gods of Destruction wouldn't be collectively scared shitless of him either.

Hey, the secret service can kill the president too.

They try that shite on Zeno, and they probably wouldn't last a nanosecond before an angel reshapes their heads into a pancake.

Originally posted by Galan007
I have mixed feelings where he is concerned, if only because I'm not yet sure what his exact capacity/role is(aside from Zen-Oh's attendant/father figure.) I've said it numerous times now, but I will not at all be surprised if Daishinkan is ultimately revealed to be more powerful than Zen-Oh, with the power to put him in check if the need arises.

After all, every universe has a Destroyer -- and Zen-Oh is THE most powerful Destroyer in existence(his power of destruction is why even GoDs fear him.) Likewise, the Destroyers of each universe are all accompanied by a Guide Angel that can stop them from rampaging when the need arises -- and Daishinkan is THE most powerful Angel in existence(by a HUGE margin, according to Whis himself)... So perhaps Daishinkan is the Whis to Zen-Oh's Beerus..? That's the reveal I'm waiting for, honestly.

Though if Daishinkan also ends up being malevolent, it'd be one hell of a twist... I can't even begin to imagine how a situation like THAT would be managed, tbh. I mean, even with what we know about him *now*, Daishinkan could still trounce every GoD and Angel simultaneously. srsly

Completely agree with you regarding the Grand Priest: I also believe he could possibly be stronger than his own "Destroyer" (Zeno) like all the Angels are actually stronger than their GoDs.

The answer to this complex problem is obvious.

A big money DBS/DC crossover where the JLA beats Daishinkan. 👆

One other thing about the episode I forgot to mention earlier, liked how they transitioned to Goku and Gohan doing Kamehameha at the same time, since it was kind of a throwback to the Father-Son Kamehameha. Closest we’ll get to it probably... At least we had an actual Father-Son Gallick Gun on Zamasu.

It seemed obvious to me ever since the tournament started that Goku has already spoken with Zeno, and no Universe is actually getting erased/they get brought back right afterwards.

He just wanted everybody to think so, in order to fight at 100%.

Surely it's not just me?

No reason to think so. Not even a hint this happened, and Zeno doesn't seem the type for deception.

Yeah, it's just you. There's not even a remote piece of evidence for that AFAIK.

lmfao that would be hilarious, but there's no way it's true

That would effectively ruin the show for me lol.

Edit: as a side note, there's only 19 fighters left. Universe 4 is next to go, then 3.

It would be great if the Zen-Oh's just forgot about the plan and erased the universs accidentially

"Wheee, Goku! Ready for the tournament?"

"I can't wait! I just hope everyone fights seriously, or it won't be any fun."

"I could tell them to do their best, or I'll erase them!"

"Ok! But don't really erase them, I just want a good fight!

"Ok! Whooopie!"