Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZHe's probably going to unleash the power he was about to use against Goku before their fight in the Zen Exhibition match was stopped... Or at least I hope so.
I'm wondering if Toppo is gonna unlock power rivaling the Gods of Destruction...sounds a bit far-fetched though.
I'd like to think that Toppo is around Hakaishin/Belmond-level. /shrug
Originally posted by UrsumelesGiven how effortlessly Hit trounced SSB Vegeta in the U6vs.U7 Tourney, neither am I... ermm
I'm not happy about that 🙁
Originally posted by Galan007
He's probably going to unleash the power he was about to use against Goku before their fight in the Zen Exhibition match was stopped... Or at least I hope so.I'd like to think that Toppo is around Hakaishin/Belmond-level. /shrug
Yeah, but if Toppo is hakaishin level, SSJB Goku and Vegeta would get absolutely murked. Maybe they will. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
Given how effortlessly Hit trounced SSB Vegeta in the U6vs.U7 Tourney, neither am I... ermm
Lots of context, lots of time since then.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZWell, we know that all Hakaishin are not created equal... And if the manga is any indicator, Beerus is definitely >> Belmond. Not only was Beerus out-fighting EVERY Hakaishin attacking him simultaneously, but he could have wiped them ALL out with a single attack if Sidra hadn't shielded them at the last second.
Yeah, but if Toppo is hakaishin level, SSJB Goku and Vegeta would get absolutely murked. Maybe they will. 🙂
IOW, even if Toppo ends up being ~ Belmond, it doesn't necessarily mean he is vastly beyond SSB-level just because Beerus it... But I'm excited to see him cut-loose either way. 👆
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZYou really think Vegeta has improved enough [on average] that he can beat current Hit? I sure as hell don't. /shrug
Lots of context, lots of time since then.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yeah, but if Toppo is hakaishin level, SSJB Goku and Vegeta would get absolutely murked. Maybe they will. 🙂Lots of context, lots of time since then.
UI is almost certainly > most GoD.
Vegeta will get an upgrade to wherever Toppo is, and Goku and Jiren will be a step ahead as always.
Originally posted by Galan007
You really think Vegeta has improved enough [on average] that he can beat current Hit? I sure as hell don't. /shrug
Well, the issue here is that we know from the manga that the only reason Vegeta lost to Hit in Blue is because he couldn't even bring out 10% of Blue's power. In the anime, the same is probably true, plus we know that Vegeta just had no fcking clue what was going on with the time-skip. Put Goku in his position, and he probably would have been taken out in short order too.
Plus we know from Episodes 71-72 that SSJB Goku is on par with Hit, and I think it's safe to assume SSJB Vegeta is on par with SSJB Goku. And hell, episode 104 certainly seemed to imply SSJB has more raw power than Hit, though obviously less haxx.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Well, the issue here is that we know from the manga that the only reason Vegeta lost to Hit in Blue is because he couldn't even bring out 10% of Blue's power. In the anime, the same is probably true, plus we know that Vegeta just had no fcking clue what was going on with the time-skip. Put Goku in his position, and he probably would have been taken out in short order too.Plus we know from Episodes 71-72 that SSJB Goku is on par with Hit, and I think it's safe to assume SSJB Vegeta is on par with SSJB Goku. And hell, episode 104 certainly seemed to imply SSJB has more raw power than Hit, though obviously less haxx.
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Even if all we saw in the previews, is all he did, it would still be an amazing showing, considering the teeth Hit had to pull for every advantage.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZThat was also before Hit had massively evolved his time-skip, though. 😱
Well, the issue here is that we know from the manga that the only reason Vegeta lost to Hit in Blue is because he couldn't even bring out 10% of Blue's power. In the anime, the same is probably true, plus we know that Vegeta just had no fcking clue what was going on with the time-skip. Put Goku in his position, and he probably would have been taken out in short order too.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZGoku could only start predicting Hit's movements AFTER Hit time-skip-pwned him a few times:
Plus we know from Episodes 71-72 that SSJB Goku is on par with Hit, and I think it's safe to assume SSJB Vegeta is on par with SSJB Goku.
And Goku was only able to weather most of these assaults thanks to Kaioken amping his stats(namely durability.) Given that Vegeta doesn't have KK to fall back on, I can't imagine him being able to endure the same beating(s) w/o being ktfo..?
srug
Most of Goku knocking Jiren around was without Kaioken.
Edit: Oh, you mean Hit. Was talking Jiren.
And yeah, but Vegeta's going to need some way of matching Super Kaioken. Vegeta being equal to Goku's best sans UI is a pretty big plot point, and one they'll need to upgrade Vegeta for on the anime side.
Unless they get really cheap and weaken Jiren somehow. Maybe he promises to only use 1% of his power..
Nah Hit would still murder Vegeta.
Goku only stalemated him cause Hit was playing around in round 2 and was fighting as a martial artist not an assassin.
Replace Vegeta with Goku in round 1 where he got 1 hit killed except he wont revive himself with a ki blast.
Also if Hit managed to put Goku(not UI) in a time cage like he did to Jiren....it would be over for him...Imo.
Hit is just too haxxed to lose to Vegeta who only relies on brute force.
Originally posted by Inedian
Seeing those spoilers and in the past how Jiren was fighting (not ringing anyone out, only beating them) and it seems it will still continue these way, it's like I was saying all along... Black would reach and surpass Jiren.
He got merked by Vegeta and Goku. Black is nothing to Jiren. Also, it appears Goku have that "get stronger while you fight" thing going on and he still isn't on Jiren level. Black would get one punch killed.
> "Black would surpass Jiren"
> Current Blue Goku has far surpassed Black as of the Black Arc
> Current Goku can go KKx20
> Current SSJB Goku KKx20 with a spirit bomb that is as powerful as SSJ Kefla gets glared away by a heavily suppressed Jiren
Yeah, no, Jiren would handle Black like he handled Maji Kayo: