Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

The point of instant transmission is to have a point tbh. Namek is bigger than Earth and during Goku resurrection after the Ginyu scene, when he burst out of the pod and Frieza was about to finish Vegeta off, Goku flew from one side of the planet to the other before Frieza had the chance to finish Vegeta off with a death beam. Flight is there but Goku relied so much on instant transmission that he didn't need to fly and waste energy. The kids proved this when they flew around the earth almost instantly and then took a nap afterwards. A much more powerful Goku can easily replicate this but again, why should he when he can reserve his energy and teleport to wherever? How do we know tasks like this is taxing? Well, Piccolo while chasing the boys around earth was fatigued trying to keep up.

I'll have to find the scan for you. I posted it a while back. I think me and you talked about it.

Originally posted by carver9
Zenos unable to see Dypso and Hit fight and Dypso was at normal self.

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Dyspo's suppressed speed >>> MUI Goku and Jiren. Confirmed. 👆

Originally posted by carver9
Got a question. I asked this a while back but we have new people here so I would like to see what they think. King Kai was able to keep up with Goku ship when it was heading to Namek. The ship was going far faster than the speed of light which gives us a perception of how fast KK can see.

Fast forward, King Kai beaming in trying to watch Goku and Frieza fight on Namek could not perceive them at all. They were moving too fast. Am I looking at this wrong because this has been going across YouTube that Goku and Frieza transcended light speed.

...Which is wholly different than trying to watch/perceive a fight.

But when was King Kai unable to perceive Goku vs. Freeza? Can't recall off hand...

Originally posted by bbrem123
question...Is buu one of the oldest being is existence?

Toriyama confirmed this in an interview:

How did Bibbidi make Majin Boo? What process was there, what were Boo's ingredients, etc.?

Toriyama: Though in the manga Kaioshin said that Bibidi made him, the truth is that one called "Boo" was not actually created by Bibidi, but has existed since time immemorial. He cycled between rampages and long hibernation. During numerous iterations of this cycle, he absorbed the evil elements of mankind, becoming steadily more violent. Bibidi merely knew the means of calling Boo from out of his long slumber.
-Source

*Completely retcons the notion that he was created by Bibidi... Boo is more akin to a force of nature/destruction than anything. Hell, he may have even been the first Hakaishin. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007

*Completely retcons the notion that he was created by Bibidi... Boo is more akin to a force of nature/destruction than anything. Hell, he may have even been the first Hakaishin. /shrug

MUI Goku is lucky he isnt facing Dyspo.

Originally posted by Galan007
You realize this actually hurts your case tremendously, right? 😂

Dyspo's suppressed speed >>> MUI Goku and Jiren. Confirmed. 👆

You're definitely looking at it wrong. King Kai just telepathically communicated with Goku when he was traveling to Namek:

...Which is wholly different than trying to watch/perceive a fight.

But when was King Kai unable to perceive Goku vs. Freeza? Can't recall off hand...

Boo is the oldest confirmed being in the mythos, yes. He has existed since "time immemorial".

Toriyama confirmed this in an interview:

*Completely retcons the notion that he was created by Bibidi... Boo is more akin to a force of nature/destruction than anything. Hell, he may have even been the first Hakaishin. /shrug

I'm glad that you agree Frieza is faster than Dypso. 👆

Naah, he couldn't keep up with Goku and Frieza and yes, he was looking at the fight telepathically.

Frieza was definitely faster than supressed/base Dyspo. Hit confused Dyspo, while Frieza was outright faster.

Originally posted by Inedian
Frieza was definitely faster than supressed/base Dyspo. Hit confused Dyspo, while Frieza was outright faster.

It was said on panel and the only reason Dypso powered up was due to Frieza being faster. Galan can not take away from this. With that said, he is basically saying Frieza>>>>MUI and Jiren in speed.

Originally posted by carver9
It was said on panel and the only reason Dypso powered up was due to Frieza being faster.

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Originally posted by carver9
It was said on panel and the only reason Dypso powered up was due to Frieza being faster. Galan can not take away from this. With that said, he is basically saying Frieza>>>>MUI and Jiren in speed.

Originally posted by Kento
But Freeza wasn't faster than super light speed mode wahtever else is attached onto it Dyspo. Which is the one that can't be caught even by godpad slow-mo. Grand Priest even says Dyspo's too fast to be caught by it, not Freeza. 😛 Zeno doesn't need super slow motion godpad to see MUI and Jiren tho.

The Zenos couldn't see Dypso with the God pad even before amping though, had to add super slow mo, and when Dypso amped, he was still having a hard time hitting Frieza. Frieza was dodging, etc...

The point is, you all are saying Zeno can't witness the fight with Dypso in it whereas he can see MUI Goku (no one saw MUI Goku when he was blitz hitting Jiren but whatever, hell, they didn't even see UI Goku moving when he was blocking Jiren blows) fighting Jiren. Frieza was faster than base Dypso, the same Dypso that Zeno could not see which means that Frieza>Dypso>>>MUI Goku and Jiren.

Also, it's not like Dypso was just walking circles around Frieza. Frieza was still dodging his blows and was clashing in the air with him. Lol...

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Gohan was outright overwhelming him.

That sucks that Buu got treated the way he was then. He should have been much more powerful on the power hierarchy if his history is that long.

Originally posted by Damborgson
That sucks that Buu got treated the way he was then. He should have been much more powerful on the power hierarchy if his history is that long.

Based on that that he is the oldest being, that can be an excuse to get such enormous power up to quickly surpass angels. Oldest being with such vast potential should be capable of that.

The thing is, Buu was the most powerful being in the Universe. He had no challenge until Goku and the crew showed up.

Originally posted by Kento
That would be something... Bibidi took control over Buu to kill the Kaioshin, which would result in Buu dying. Then after he was sealed away, Beerus was made to be the next GoD, and Shin never really knew anything about it because he wasn't at the point of training to be taught any of what was going on.

I think it would be cool if it were revealed that Pure Boo was the universe's first attempt at creating a Hakaishin. However, Boo was ultimately too destructive, and sought only to endlessly destroy without any concept of 'balance'. After Boo was imprisoned and replaced(by Beerus), however, the 'higher powers' started appointing a Guide Angle with every Hakaishin, in order to keep them in line should the need arise.

Originally posted by Kento
But Freeza wasn't faster than super light speed mode wahtever else is attached onto it Dyspo. Which is the one that can't be caught even by godpad slow-mo. Grand Priest even says Dyspo's too fast to be caught by it, not Freeza. 😛 Zeno doesn't need super slow motion godpad to see MUI and Jiren tho.

carver hates to acknowledge context when it disagrees with him. Fact is: Neither the Zen-Ohs OR their GodPads could track a full-speed Dyspo... Yet the Zen-Ohs are perfectly capable of watching Goku's current fight with Jiren, WITHOUT the aid of their GodPads.

So either their eyesight has improved astronomically within the last few minutes, OR Goku and Jiren simply aren't moving as fast as peak Dyspo was... Which isn't really a big deal. I mean, even though Superman is FAR more powerful than Flash overall, Flash is still faster. 🙂

...And lets not act like inconsistency doesn't already run rampant in DBS, lol.

Or the writers are totally dumbphucks and they already forgot about that part with the Godpads not being able to catch up to Dyspo.

Originally posted by Estacado
Or the writers are totally dumbphucks and they already forgot about that part with the Godpads not being able to catch up to Dyspo.

Hell they couldn't even follow Dyspo in base either without the Godpad. Someone who UI was faster than. Now they can follow Blanco.

Simple: The Zen-Oh's broke their limits too.

I hope one of the Zeno's tries to zip around like Goku and knocks himself out.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Simple: The Zen-Oh's broke their limits too.