Originally posted by Kento
hey, so what if they are. anyone would be lucky to have Galan. xD
Galan has recenty lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. Saying that Dyspo is faster than Jiren and MUI Goku is totally bogus, and he's just baiting at this point so he can downplay Goku outright blitzing Dyspo, by pointing out a single instance of PIS within DBS, which is already riddled with inconsistency.
Goku as a SSJG blitzed Dyspo, ffs.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Goku as a SSJG blitzed Dyspo, ffs.
You should watch episode 104 again. Look from the 15 minutes on that Dyspo blitzed SSG Goku twice easily. It was when Goku read his linear movements that was easier for Goku and even then he went to SSB for a moment and Goku was still aware Dyspo speed was too much for him but limited with movements. If you are using SSG Goku blitzing Dyspo as interfering to save Hit, moments later Dyspo was outspeeding him easily (Gohan was the same against Maximum Light Speed Mode Dyspo when he interfered and saved Frieza). And even after that when we see them continue fighting, SSG Goku knowing about his linear movements and was still loosing against Dyspo before they switched opponents with Hit.
MLSP Dyspo wins by feats and comments, definitely the fastest being in ToP. Are MUI Goku and Jiren faster... maybe, but feat wise, Dyspo wins. It really seems that raw speed Dyspo > MUI Goku and Jiren.
At the end of the day, Dypso isn't faster and there is proof backing this. He's one of the fastest but there are people out there that are much faster...especially when Dypso himself can't even perceive Goku... Frieza wouldn't even hit Goku, Gohan wouldn't either and these are beings that was capable of hitting Dypso with no issue.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta😂
The only thing you just confirmed is that you're retarded.You're acting as if Zeno's perception abilities or Godpad is a reliable plot point.
How do you explain Dyspo being unable to even perceive n00b UI Goku moving the first time he unlocked it to fight Jiren? Lmao, I can't believe you just said that Dyspo is faster than MUI Goku and Jiren. That's ridiculous.
Look how hysterically angry you are... Clearly this is bleeding over from the other threads you've come out looking like a whiny douche in, lol. 👆
Just so everyone knows: I originally brought up the Dyspo thing to trigger carver, plain and simple... And it clearly worked(because now others are triggered as well.) And when carv responded back to be with silly non-points, I started 'debating' the point with him for the lulz. carver reminds me a LOT of SSJGGogeta in that regard(ie. he brings up nonsensical crap all the time)... Except carver doesn't start throwing a hissy fit like a petulant child when things don't go his way.
This is glorious. 👆
Originally posted by carver9
At the end of the day, Dypso isn't faster and there is proof backing this. He's one of the fastest but there are people out there that are much faster...especially when Dypso himself can't even perceive Goku... Frieza wouldn't even hit Goku, Gohan wouldn't either and these are beings that was capable of hitting Dypso with no issue.
If someone would ask me who I think is faster I would defiinitely say Jiren and MUI Goku, but there is an option that Dyspo raw speed could really be the best, it's his specialty.
Another preview for ep.130-131... This one is much more ambiguous than the last:
And since Toriyama has now confirmed that the upcoming movie is going to be a continuation of DBS(essentially the next chapter in the story), and that the DBS manga currently has NO plans on ending, I doubt ep.131 is going to end with that final EoZ/Oob moment a lot of us were hoping for. 🙁
Originally posted by Inedian
If someone would ask me who I think is faster I would defiinitely say Jiren and MUI Goku, but there is an option that Dyspo raw speed could really be the best, it's his specialty.
Possibly but Dypso himself couldn't keep up with Goku. The crazy thing is, none of then were capable of seeing UI Goku move when he was fighting Jiren, didn't see his arm flinch. The only way they knew was due to his fist creating shockwaves against Jiren fist. Thj s includes Dypso being unable to perceive Goku as well. Let's put it like this. Frieza was confirmed being faster than Dypso which is the reason Dypso amped up. Even during his amp, Frieza was still blocking his attacks. Can you honestly see any of this happening (Frieza blocking Goku attacks) if Goku went blue and used KK?
Originally posted by carver9
Possibly but Dypso himself couldn't keep up with Goku. The crazy thing is, none of then were capable of seeing UI Goku move when he was fighting Jiren, didn't see his arm flinch. The only way they knew was due to his fist creating shockwaves against Jiren fist. Thj s includes Dypso being unable to perceive Goku as well. Let's put it like this. Frieza was confirmed being faster than Dypso which is the reason Dypso amped up. Even during his amp, Frieza was still blocking his attacks. Can you honestly see any of this happening (Frieza blocking Goku attacks) if Goku went blue and used KK?
I don't see it, but also because of shallow DBS writing, inconsistency, but I also think SSBKK Goku doesn't stand a chance in a speed department against Dyspo. Look going by feeling (which can be wrong) I think MUI Goku and Jiren, they stomp Dyspo everywhere.
Originally posted by carver9You're neglecting one huge thing though carver. Dyspo is a terrible fighter and that they know where he will attack from. Goku was also able to guess where Hit would appear at the start of their fight, not because he was faster but Goku was a expert fighter. Freeza can't block kkx20 Goku because he's not linear and is a martial arts master. And is also just outright more powerful. Dyspo wasn't so much more powerful as just faster. But so very unskilled. So there is the major difference.
. Can you honestly see any of this happening (Frieza blocking Goku attacks) if Goku went blue and used KK?
Originally posted by KentoYou have no idea how much Carver enjoys your post.
You're neglecting one huge thing though carver. Dyspo is a terrible fighter and that they know where he will attack from. Goku was also able to guess where Hit would appear at the start of their fight, not because he was faster but Goku was a expert fighter. Freeza can't block kkx20 Goku because he's not linear and is a martial arts master. And is also just outright more powerful. Dyspo wasn't so much more powerful as just faster. But so very unskilled. So there is the major difference.
You mean to tell CarverZeroNine that Goku's skill can nullify potentially vast differences in speed? Well, I wonder what that can also apply to?
*every other universe but Dragonball*
Originally posted by Kento
You're neglecting one huge thing though carver. Dyspo is a terrible fighter and that they know where he will attack from. Goku was also able to guess where Hit would appear at the start of their fight, not because he was faster but Goku was a expert fighter. Freeza can't block kkx20 Goku because he's not linear and is a martial arts master. And is also just outright more powerful. Dyspo wasn't so much more powerful as just faster. But so very unskilled. So there is the major difference.
Wait a minute. Let's use me and you in this scenario. Lets say I have the ability to go as fast as the speed of sound and I was an extremely talented martial artist. Let's say you had the ability to achieve light speed but you suck as a brawler. Are you tell me that even though I am a martial artist while not being able to go a percentage of your speed, I can still beat you in a fight? That is the difference between UI Goku and Frieza speed. So what I'm saying is, your comparison is bad.
Originally posted by Inedian
I don't see it, but also because of shallow DBS writing, inconsistency, but I also think SSBKK Goku doesn't stand a chance in a speed department against Dyspo. Look going by feeling (which can be wrong) I think MUI Goku and Jiren, they stomp Dyspo everywhere.
How could Dypso be faster than SSBKK Goku when even while amped, he couldn't land a lick on Frieza who was blocking his blows? Doesn't make sense to me.
Originally posted by Inedian
You should watch episode 104 again. Look from the 15 minutes on that Dyspo blitzed SSG Goku twice easily. It was when Goku read his linear movements that was easier for Goku and even then he went to SSB for a moment and Goku was still aware Dyspo speed was too much for him but limited with movements. If you are using SSG Goku blitzing Dyspo as interfering to save Hit, moments later Dyspo was outspeeding him easily (Gohan was the same against Maximum Light Speed Mode Dyspo when he interfered and saved Frieza). And even after that when we see them continue fighting, SSG Goku knowing about his linear movements and was still loosing against Dyspo before they switched opponents with Hit.MLSP Dyspo wins by feats and comments, definitely the fastest being in ToP. Are MUI Goku and Jiren faster... maybe, but feat wise, Dyspo wins. It really seems that raw speed Dyspo > MUI Goku and Jiren.
You're still ignoring the fact that n00b UI Goku outright blitzed Dyspo AND Toppo so fast that neither even realized Goku had moved, and suppressed Jiren STILL countered him with ease, right?
Also, I hope you realize that Galan was literally just saying that to mess with Carver, IOW's. Anyone with a brain can tell that Dyspo is nowhere near the level of MUI Goku or Jiren in ANY category, lmao.
Originally posted by Galan007
😂Look how hysterically angry you are... Clearly this is bleeding over from the other threads you've come out looking like a whiny douche in, lol. 👆
Just so everyone knows: I originally brought up the Dyspo thing to trigger carver, plain and simple... And it clearly worked(because now others are triggered as well.) And when carv responded back to be with silly non-points, I started 'debating' the point with him for the lulz. carver reminds me a LOT of SSJGGogeta in that regard(ie. he brings up nonsensical crap all the time)... Except carver doesn't start throwing a hissy fit like a petulant child when things don't go his way.
This is glorious. 👆
You're right- I was angry. You're one of the last people I would expect to be blatantly trolling on here, Galan.
I guess it's okay though, if you were just saying that to troll Carv. That at least puts me at ease in some way. You had me genuinely disappointed in you for a while, over this.
Also, it's annoying when someone with a much cred on here as you trolls like that, because it justifies the retards like the one I'm replying to above. ^
Originally posted by carver91) It's a anime. 2) Goku wasn't even breaking through time dimensions with his power and still was able to guess where Hit would be specifically because he's such a good fighter. 3) They basically say they can ready Dyspos movements because he's lousy fighter.
Wait a minute. Let's use me and you in this scenario. Lets say I have the ability to go as fast as the speed of sound and I was an extremely talented martial artist. Let's say you had the ability to achieve light speed but you suck as a brawler. Are you tell me that even though I am a martial artist while not being able to go a percentage of your speed, I can still beat you in a fight? That is the difference between UI Goku and Frieza speed. So what I'm saying is, your comparison is bad.
And finally you argue reflexes over speed all the time.. which is basically Dyspo. Speedy but his combat reflexes ain't up to snuff against Goku or Hit. Or Jiren. So by your logic in things Dyspo could run around at light speed and still lose because combat speed is different than running.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You're still ignoring the fact that n00b UI Goku outright blitzed Dyspo AND Toppo so fast that neither even realized Goku had moved, and suppressed Jiren STILL countered him with ease, right?Also, I hope you realize that Galan was literally just saying that to mess with Carver, IOW's. Anyone with a brain can tell that Dyspo is nowhere near the level of MUI Goku or Jiren in ANY category, lmao.
It's not about Galan what he said, it was about you saying SSG Goku blitzing Dyspo, which wasn't true (which you also partially said because of anger).
You probably read that I said that I think that MUI Goku and Jiren stomps Dyspo everywhere, but I am not sure. I am not sure if MUI Goku and Jiren goes running in a straight line would defeat Dyspo.
