Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

So yeah, according to several very reliable sources, they are 100% working on a new anime series. It hasn't been officially announced yet because Toei doesn't want it to take away from the hype for the Broly movie.

Expect some sort of announcement after the Broly film's international release -- I imagine a new anime would start around April or so.

Is it still gonna be called "Super"?

Originally posted by Galan007
So there were no announcements at Jump Festa about the anime's continuation. Some are now speculating that the announcement will take place after the Broly film's international release, at a panel in late January/February. We'll see.

We did get this message from Toriyama, though:
https://i.imgur.com/4jN4ZRs.jpg

"For me personally, Dragon Ball is nothing but fighting, which to be perfectly frank, isn't something I like all that much..."

Toriyama literally gives no shits about DB, lol. Makes it even funnier when geeks like me try to dissect the story in search of some 'deeper meaning'. 👆

He's always been about story telling.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Is it still gonna be called "Super"?

I'd *think* so because the Broly film and the new arc of the manga still carry the "Super" brand, but we don't know for sure at this time.

Originally posted by carver9
He's always been about story telling.

True. I got a question. With Jiren being all about strength and him always thinking that there is no one out there stronger than him (before TOP)... with him knowing now that MUI is actually his superior, his better. Do you think we will see him again and if so, do you think he will become far more powerful than he is now? To the point of exceeding the MUI we seen in the TOP?

Jiren now knows there is a power out there greater than his own. I have no doubt that he can/will surpass MUI Goku as of the ToP in the future -- he was pretty close to that level as-is. /shrug

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"I'm now an old geezer through and through (...)"

Yeah, we kinda noticed.

Is that quote from Galan?

Did we ever find out if Jiren had been a god of destruction or was trained in destruction, because Toppa was and Jiren clearly was running circles around him being in the same universe.

Jiren did not train as a G.O.D and all of his power was naturally given to him via hard work. The entire point of Jiren character is to gain true strength due to his master dying. Nothing about him being a God. If anything iirc, be turned the title down.

The manga expanded on Jiren's characterization/beliefs a bit. In short, destruction isn't in his nature(he doesn't even kill evildoers, ffs.) He'd have absolutely NO interest in a job that solely revolves around destroying/killing.

https://i.imgur.com/boxJ3Oz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/l0QRYs5.jpg

So since Zalama created the Super Dragon balls, would he be the creator and Zen-oh would be the destroyer?

Im guessing that would make Zalama the most powerful being in Dragon Ball.

Aside from the fact that he created the Super Dragon Balls, all we know about Zalama is that he holds the title of "God of the Dragons", while his creation(ie. Super Shenron) holds the title of "Dragon of the Gods". That said, Zalama might be in Zen-Oh's tier; he might not -- we don't know either way. Although if someone existed who were on par with Zen-Oh in the cosmic pecking order, it seems like we'd know about it... But as of now, every shred of tangible evidence states Zen-Oh > ALL.

And historically speaking, the Namekian and Earth Dragon Balls obviously possess powers that vastly exceed that of their creators. This could also be the case with Zalama and the Super Dragon Balls: ie. he may have created an omnipotent creature, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is omnipotent by default.

Again, we just don't know. /shrug

It depends how you”re defining the term “omnipotent” I suppose.

Originally posted by Galan007
Aside from the fact that he created the Super Dragon Balls, all we know about Zalama is that he holds the title of "God of the Dragons", while his creation(ie. Super Shenron) holds the title of "Dragon of the Gods". That said, Zalama might be in Zen-Oh's tier; he might not -- we don't know either way. Although if someone existed who were on par with Zen-Oh in the cosmic pecking order, it seems like we'd know about it... But as of now, every shred of tangible evidence states Zen-Oh > ALL.

And historically speaking, the Namekian and Earth Dragon Balls obviously possess powers that vastly exceed that of their creators. This could also be the case with Zalama and the Super Dragon Balls: ie. he may have created an omnipotent creature, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is omnipotent by default.

Again, we just don't know. /shrug

Pretty much.

Given DB's penchant for power escalation, it's an easy bet that someone, someday, will outdo Zeno. Just like Supernatural brings in the power lucifer one season, then god the next, and then some sibling that kills god.

But Toriyama and Toei have also uncharacteristically restrained themselves on Beerus's supremacy, so maybe the cosmic hierarchy is a line in the sand from management. Prevent a repeat of Kaio-Shin being outdone two sagas ago.

If y'all haven't heard, herms is quitting the DB-translation game for good.

There are a few other translators who will likely step in and fill his shoes, but that dude has translated more DB material than, literally, all of the other individual translators on the interweb combined. I was surprised to hear that he's just up and walking away from it, because he's been so ridiculously dedicated for the last several years.

Good for him, though. 👆

Wouldnt it be cool if Jiren, Broly, Goku and Vegeta had to team up to beat Moro?

I have my own fanfic idea.

The Zamasu Zeno is actually evil, and corrupt the head angel. This leads to the good Zeno running to Goku, and forming a resistance movement, because "Erasing myself would erase everything, including me", or some such.

Jiren and Broly would be there. Whis and Vados would reveal Whis and Vados are half of a whole being, and each universe is like this setup. Goku and Vegeta would, of course, fuse.

Universe 6, 7, 11, and the one with the awesome death from the anime would be in the resistance. There would he fused Whis/Vados against the head angel, a massive God of Destruction free for all, with the other angels opting out of combat, as they look on in disapproval.

Eventually, Gogeta unlocks UI, and helps Whiados, as he starts to lose. It works, until Zenos guards join in, each as strong as a fused angel.

In the end, the resistance slowly becomes overwhelmed. All hope seems lost. Until...

Mister Satan.

Keeping with tradition, it's the unlikely hero, Hercule F'n Satan, the best character in all of Z, who saves the day.

Whether by somehow diffusing the situation, or simply landing a Hercule punch, I haven't decided (It's not like there isn't some question on the Zeno's physical stats. I mean, they couldn't even see the Gods of Destruction. 😛 )

Minister would destroy both Whis and Vados. 😬

Angel fusions work better then normal fusion. The minister and his siblings started off at a much closer strength, but the majority chose to divide their power to oversee the universes, while the minister remained behind, and whole, to attend to Zeno.

Watching Revival of F: The Movie.

I really hope DBS didn't completely retcon it, the movies are much better then the show.

Whis makes an interesting comment: When asked if he can create stars, after Beerus knocked a few out, he said "of course not."

There are quite a few characters who many would say are less powerful, who CAN make stars. Does this imply Toriyama believes star making is something beyond their level of power? (If so, that would only prove Toriyama has a wonky idea of power levels. But we knew that.)