1. It was not a physical feat. At all. It was an esoteric one, that was made very clear by Old Kai, and a little logic as well.
2. Goku said Vegeta may be stronger than him now. He didn't say since the last time they met.
Goku is shitting himself over Beerus right now, and he wasn't before. Goku's god power storage or whatever has shrunk considerably.
Proof? Whis said they have both gotten up to the level of sensing God Ki with their training.
Whis made dozens of visits to Earth after the Beerus fight, and if Goku still had God power after the Beerus fight, he would have sensed Whis' presence.
No Carver, making shit up again.
It was explicitly stated and shown that the shockwaves generated after their clash was doing the work.
Again, the shockwaves they generated from their clashes were doing the damage.
Those shockwaves were not physical, as they had the completely backwards property of getting stronger the further they traveled. Meaning the point of contact (their fists), is where the least amount of force was. (And despite this, they still strained themselves when their fists clashed, even though that's where the least amount of energy was being generated).
Now, Old Kai said if they clashed 3 times, the waves destroy the universe. And they would die as well.
Obviously Goku and Beerus wouldn't just die from hitting their fists against each other three times. No. If they didn't die or suffer anymore than strain on their fists/arms from the first two clashes, what would be different about a third fist clash clash?
Nothing would be different, at least nothing about the physical aspect at least.
They landed repeated, actual damaging blows to each other's torso and face, before and after those clashes, and those didn't kill either of them, although it did do damage, so why would fist clashes, which aren't vital blows at all do it?And again, their fists is where the force was at the absolute minimum, since the wave got more damaging as it went out, so the origin point of the waves, which was not even close to planet busting (even after the wave traveled the length of Earth's diameter, it still wasn't planet busting) was still able to hurt each other.
The only thing that would have been different about the third clash is the wave would then destabilize reality enough to destroy the universe and kill them, even though they were punching just as hard as they were the first two times. Doesn't sound physical at all, if the damage isn't proportional with each punch.
Especially since the third bro fist wasn't going to kill them. The ensuing third wave is what would have destroyed the universe, and them.
After their wave clashes stopped, they proceeded to punch and kick each other as hard as they could landing blows to each other's bodies and face and there was no destruction going on. Kibito Kai asked why, even though they were punching as furiously as before, and Old Kai said its because they turned it into a brawl. Meaning it became purely physical only then.
And what happened after they went down to the sea floor to grapple? That was after the wave clashes too, and was Goku worried about the planet tearing apart, let alone the universe, during his test of strength with Beerus? Nope. At most his concern seemed to about the immediate area of the sea; "this land", as he said.
If it was the strength of Goku's muscles, able to destroy the universe, (which subsequently would have killed him), then that would imply that his durability is less than his strength. Which, makes absolutely no sense at all, as he wouldn't be able to generate that strength in the first place if his body couldn't handle the strain of producing it.
And whatever those weights were, I can assure you they were not even remotely universal+ in weight, since that's really the conclusion you want to come to.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
No Carver, making shit up again.It was explicitly stated and shown that the shockwaves generated after their clash was doing the work.
Again, the shockwaves they generated from their clashes were doing the damage.
Those shockwaves were not physical, as they had the completely backwards property of getting stronger the further they traveled. Meaning the point of contact (their fists), is where the least amount of force was. (And despite this, they still strained themselves when their fists clashed, even though that's where the least amount of energy was being generated).
Now, Old Kai said if they clashed 3 times, the waves destroy the universe. And they would die as well.
Obviously Goku and Beerus wouldn't just die from hitting their fists against each other three times. No. If they didn't die or suffer anymore than strain on their fists/arms from the first two clashes, what would be different about a third fist clash clash?
Nothing would be different, at least nothing about the physical aspect at least.
They landed repeated, actual damaging blows to each other's torso and face, before and after those clashes, and those didn't kill either of them, although it did do damage, so why would fist clashes, which aren't vital blows at all do it?And again, their fists is where the force was at the absolute minimum, since the wave got more damaging as it went out, so the origin point of the waves, which was not even close to planet busting (even after the wave traveled the length of Earth's diameter, it still wasn't planet busting) was still able to hurt each other.The only thing that would have been different about the third clash is the wave would then destabilize reality enough to destroy the universe and kill them, even though they were punching just as hard as they were the first two times. Doesn't sound physical at all, if the damage isn't proportional with each punch.
Especially since the third bro fist wasn't going to kill them. The ensuing third wave is what would have destroyed the universe, and them.
After their wave clashes stopped, they proceeded to punch and kick each other as hard as they could landing blows to each other's bodies and face and there was no destruction going on. Kibito Kai asked why, even though they were punching as furiously as before, and Old Kai said its because they turned it into a brawl. Meaning it became purely physical only then.
And what happened after they went down to the sea floor to grapple? That was after the wave clashes too, and was Goku worried about the planet tearing apart, let alone the universe, during his test of strength with Beerus? Nope. At most his concern seemed to about the immediate area of the sea; "this land", as he said.
If it was the strength of Goku's muscles, able to destroy the universe, (which subsequently would have killed him), then that would imply that his durability is less than his strength. Which, makes absolutely no sense at all, as he wouldn't be able to generate that strength in the first place if his body couldn't handle the strain of producing it.
And whatever those weights were, I can assure you they were not even remotely universal+ in weight, since that's really the conclusion you want to come to.
After reading, i got 3 words for you.
Good luck friend.
Ps, you will be miss.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
No Carver, making shit up again.It was explicitly stated and shown that the shockwaves generated after their clash was doing the work.
Again, the shockwaves they generated from their clashes were doing the damage.
Those shockwaves were not physical, as they had the completely backwards property of getting stronger the further they traveled. Meaning the point of contact (their fists), is where the least amount of force was. (And despite this, they still strained themselves when their fists clashed, even though that's where the least amount of energy was being generated).
Now, Old Kai said if they clashed 3 times, the waves destroy the universe. And they would die as well.
Obviously Goku and Beerus wouldn't just die from hitting their fists against each other three times. No. If they didn't die or suffer anymore than strain on their fists/arms from the first two clashes, what would be different about a third fist clash clash?
Nothing would be different, at least nothing about the physical aspect at least.
They landed repeated, actual damaging blows to each other's torso and face, before and after those clashes, and those didn't kill either of them, although it did do damage, so why would fist clashes, which aren't vital blows at all do it?And again, their fists is where the force was at the absolute minimum, since the wave got more damaging as it went out, so the origin point of the waves, which was not even close to planet busting (even after the wave traveled the length of Earth's diameter, it still wasn't planet busting) was still able to hurt each other.The only thing that would have been different about the third clash is the wave would then destabilize reality enough to destroy the universe and kill them, even though they were punching just as hard as they were the first two times. Doesn't sound physical at all, if the damage isn't proportional with each punch.
Especially since the third bro fist wasn't going to kill them. The ensuing third wave is what would have destroyed the universe, and them.
After their wave clashes stopped, they proceeded to punch and kick each other as hard as they could landing blows to each other's bodies and face and there was no destruction going on. Kibito Kai asked why, even though they were punching as furiously as before, and Old Kai said its because they turned it into a brawl. Meaning it became purely physical only then.
And what happened after they went down to the sea floor to grapple? That was after the wave clashes too, and was Goku worried about the planet tearing apart, let alone the universe, during his test of strength with Beerus? Nope. At most his concern seemed to about the immediate area of the sea; "this land", as he said.
If it was the strength of Goku's muscles, able to destroy the universe, (which subsequently would have killed him), then that would imply that his durability is less than his strength. Which, makes absolutely no sense at all, as he wouldn't be able to generate that strength in the first place if his body couldn't handle the strain of producing it.
And whatever those weights were, I can assure you they were not even remotely universal+ in weight, since that's really the conclusion you want to come to.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
No Carver, making shit up again.It was explicitly stated and shown that the shockwaves generated after their clash was doing the work.
Again, the shockwaves they generated from their clashes were doing the damage.
Those shockwaves were not physical, as they had the completely backwards property of getting stronger the further they traveled. Meaning the point of contact (their fists), is where the least amount of force was. (And despite this, they still strained themselves when their fists clashed, even though that's where the least amount of energy was being generated).
Now, Old Kai said if they clashed 3 times, the waves destroy the universe. And they would die as well.
Obviously Goku and Beerus wouldn't just die from hitting their fists against each other three times. No. If they didn't die or suffer anymore than strain on their fists/arms from the first two clashes, what would be different about a third fist clash clash?
Nothing would be different, at least nothing about the physical aspect at least.
They landed repeated, actual damaging blows to each other's torso and face, before and after those clashes, and those didn't kill either of them, although it did do damage, so why would fist clashes, which aren't vital blows at all do it?And again, their fists is where the force was at the absolute minimum, since the wave got more damaging as it went out, so the origin point of the waves, which was not even close to planet busting (even after the wave traveled the length of Earth's diameter, it still wasn't planet busting) was still able to hurt each other.The only thing that would have been different about the third clash is the wave would then destabilize reality enough to destroy the universe and kill them, even though they were punching just as hard as they were the first two times. Doesn't sound physical at all, if the damage isn't proportional with each punch.
Especially since the third bro fist wasn't going to kill them. The ensuing third wave is what would have destroyed the universe, and them.
After their wave clashes stopped, they proceeded to punch and kick each other as hard as they could landing blows to each other's bodies and face and there was no destruction going on. Kibito Kai asked why, even though they were punching as furiously as before, and Old Kai said its because they turned it into a brawl. Meaning it became purely physical only then.
And what happened after they went down to the sea floor to grapple? That was after the wave clashes too, and was Goku worried about the planet tearing apart, let alone the universe, during his test of strength with Beerus? Nope. At most his concern seemed to about the immediate area of the sea; "this land", as he said.
If it was the strength of Goku's muscles, able to destroy the universe, (which subsequently would have killed him), then that would imply that his durability is less than his strength. Which, makes absolutely no sense at all, as he wouldn't be able to generate that strength in the first place if his body couldn't handle the strain of producing it.
And whatever those weights were, I can assure you they were not even remotely universal+ in weight, since that's really the conclusion you want to come to.
The center of the attack was the most power during Goku and Beerus collision. Goku and Beerus was sent flying, screaming in pain after each clash. They felt the most power of said hits because for one, when the waves reached the Kai's who are located in another dimension, they didn't budge and Goku and Beerus is>>>> the Kai's. Anything from that point on doesn't matter since the outcome would've been the same, the destruction of the universe from their punches. Goku can't even have a ft unless someone tries to downplay it.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
No Carver, making shit up again.It was explicitly stated and shown that the shockwaves generated after their clash was doing the work.
Again, the shockwaves they generated from their clashes were doing the damage.
Those shockwaves were not physical, as they had the completely backwards property of getting stronger the further they traveled. Meaning the point of contact (their fists), is where the least amount of force was. (And despite this, they still strained themselves when their fists clashed, even though that's where the least amount of energy was being generated).
Now, Old Kai said if they clashed 3 times, the waves destroy the universe. And they would die as well.
Obviously Goku and Beerus wouldn't just die from hitting their fists against each other three times. No. If they didn't die or suffer anymore than strain on their fists/arms from the first two clashes, what would be different about a third fist clash clash?
Nothing would be different, at least nothing about the physical aspect at least.
They landed repeated, actual damaging blows to each other's torso and face, before and after those clashes, and those didn't kill either of them, although it did do damage, so why would fist clashes, which aren't vital blows at all do it?And again, their fists is where the force was at the absolute minimum, since the wave got more damaging as it went out, so the origin point of the waves, which was not even close to planet busting (even after the wave traveled the length of Earth's diameter, it still wasn't planet busting) was still able to hurt each other.The only thing that would have been different about the third clash is the wave would then destabilize reality enough to destroy the universe and kill them, even though they were punching just as hard as they were the first two times. Doesn't sound physical at all, if the damage isn't proportional with each punch.
Especially since the third bro fist wasn't going to kill them. The ensuing third wave is what would have destroyed the universe, and them.
After their wave clashes stopped, they proceeded to punch and kick each other as hard as they could landing blows to each other's bodies and face and there was no destruction going on. Kibito Kai asked why, even though they were punching as furiously as before, and Old Kai said its because they turned it into a brawl. Meaning it became purely physical only then.
And what happened after they went down to the sea floor to grapple? That was after the wave clashes too, and was Goku worried about the planet tearing apart, let alone the universe, during his test of strength with Beerus? Nope. At most his concern seemed to about the immediate area of the sea; "this land", as he said.
If it was the strength of Goku's muscles, able to destroy the universe, (which subsequently would have killed him), then that would imply that his durability is less than his strength. Which, makes absolutely no sense at all, as he wouldn't be able to generate that strength in the first place if his body couldn't handle the strain of producing it.
And whatever those weights were, I can assure you they were not even remotely universal+ in weight, since that's really the conclusion you want to come to.
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