The real question is: how powerful current Vegetto/Gogeta would be?
Given that they would have UI (and maybe even MUI, who knows...) at will, not to mention all the new abilities learnt by current Vegeta, coupled with the enormous increase of power that fusion grants (see base Gogeta vs relative SSB Goku/Vegeta) with their unique sets of skills on top as well...
Just imagine that.
PS: I still personally believe (per the original DB manga and guides) that a Potara fusion done under a correct condition would even be stronger than its Metamoran counterpart. Before the end of DBS I would thus like to see Vegetto really unleashed. Just my 2 cents DB-related wish.
I do wonder if UI would even be accessible to them now..? Almost seems like they'd both have to be able to access UI in order for the fusion to access it, considering it's a mindset thing... But with Vegeta's new spirit control hax, who knows?
As for Potara vs. Metamoran: in the old days Potara definitely seemed to produce a more powerful fusion than Metamoran did. But in recent continuity they're equal in that regard... Difference is that the time limit of Metamoran doesn't shorten when Goku/Vegeta use their god ki. Potara does.
Following from my "Beerus vs King Yemma" train of thought:
Lets say the only reason someone like Golden Freeza can't bust out if hell, is because he doesn't have a body at the time. Even though when we saw him tied to that tree and tortured by happy fuzzy things, and he looked like he had a body, he was actually just a helpless spirit.
Ok then, why couldn't Freeza have threatened Yemma after he got his body on loan for the ToP?
Or what if he simply refused to go back to hell, when his 24 hour time limit is up?
If it's due to dimension crossing issues, can Goku's instant transmission take you in and out of hell? It did take him to the realm of the Kaioshin.
Taking this train of thought further, wouldn't the best way to conquer the universe, be to conquer Otherworld?
Goku dies, "Hey King Yemma, I need that 24 hours loaner body"
Freeza: "Sorry, he isn't here right now. And your physical world privileges have been revoked permanently! Mwahahahahaha!"
It's just part of the divine rules.
If you are evil, you go to Hell when you die and are trapped there. If you are exceptionally good/heroic, you get to keep your body and can roam around Otherworld at your leisure.
Goku could not enter Hell to retrieve Freeza on his own. He needed Yemma's permission to do that.
I would assume that if Freeza started causing problems after he was resurrected to fight in the ToP, Goku or Vegeta would have either destroyed him, OR Baba would have just removed the resurrection magic and sent him immediately back to Hell.
Freeza wouldn't be able to just refuse going back to Hell. When your time is up, it's up.
Originally posted by Galan007
It's just part of the divine rules.If you are evil, you go to Hell when you die and are trapped there. If you are exceptionally good/heroic, you get to keep your body and can roam around Otherworld at your leisure.
Goku could not enter Hell to retrieve Freeza on his own. He needed Yemma's permission to do that.
I would assume that if Freeza started causing problems after he was resurrected to fight in the ToP, Goku or Vegeta would have either destroyed him, OR Baba would have just removed the resurrection magic and sent him immediately back to Hell.
Freeza wouldn't be able to just refuse going back to Hell. When your time is up, it's up.
SSJ3 used up his time faster, meaning those temperary bodies must have a limited pool of ki. Once that's up its up.
Would also explain why Goku refused a senzu, that would either break the rules by adding time, or it would be useless because the body can't replenish ki.
Originally posted by carver9Vegeta's spirit training haxx will definitely be integral in this battle.
I just want to mention that Goku is going to get beat up by Moro and Vegeta is going to appear and use his new technique of healing and bring Goku back to 100%. I also think Vegeta for the first time is stronger than Goku. I'm claiming both of these statements.
If he ends up surpassing Goku, then huge props to the Yardrats for having the ability to bump someone up to Angel-levels of power.
Originally posted by cdtmAlthough that doesn't seem to be the case anymore, given that fact that Freeza used his full power multiple times during the ToP(which is obviously many orders of magnitude beyond SS3), and it didn't shorten his time in the living world.
SSJ3 used up his time faster, meaning those temperary bodies must have a limited pool of ki. Once that's up its up.
...Kind of like how the power of SS3 shortened the length of Gotenks' fusion down to just a few minutes back in Z, but now it seems to last a full 30mins no matter how powerful you become.
Originally posted by Galan007
Although that doesn't seem to be the case anymore, given that fact that Freeza used his full power multiple times during the ToP(which is obviously many orders of magnitude beyond SS3), and it didn't shorten his time in the living world....Kind of like how the power of SS3 shortened the length of Gotenks' fusion down to just a few minutes back in Z, but now it seems to last a full 30mins no matter how powerful you become.
Well, Goku did claim SSJ3 is meant for Otherworld.
That suggests the drawbacks may be based on its nature, and not on power levels.
Like, perhaps it draws off life force like the Kikoho?
Yeah, it's possible.
I've always argued the SS3 wasn't a 'natural' form of Super Saiyan, and something that was *only* possible for Goku to achieve while he was dead. That would explain why Vegeta was never able to access the form.
...But then Goku told Caulifla to keep training hard so that she could learn to unlock SS3, so who knows where it stands in DBS. /shrug
I'd recommend Mangasee over Kissmanga for DBS personally.
Less ads and junkware.
It also doesn't have "anti ad blocker" messages, like the "fake maintenance" page.
I only just started up on Kiss with my old Ipad Mini 2, which is how I like my streaming. I'd imagine no one uses tablets anymore, but they're the most convenient for reading stuff.
Provided you learn how to protect yourself, and set up UI's and zoom functions and such to your liking.