So MUI Goku >> Granolah clone ~/> MSSB+UI Goku.
It's unclear how much power the clone had, though. At first Granolah said he "split" his power(implying that the clone may have had 50% of his power)... Then Granolah stated that he placed "some of" his power into the clone(implying that it could have had far less that 50% of his power.)
We also get confirmation from Goku himself that he still cannot sustain MUI for very long, and Granolah also notes that the longer Goku uses MUI, the more his "accuracy" decreases(due to MUI depleting him.) The indication seemed to be that Granolah could not find an exploitable weakness in MUI Goku's form until his stamina started waning a bit.
If Doctor Gero, Bulma, Dr. Briefs, and Senbei Norimaki (Doctor Slump) put their minds to it, couldn't they easily create cyborgs that break the top tiers of Dragon Ball?
Doctor Gero created androids stronger than Freeza with very little information. Senbei created a robot kid stronger than SSJ Blue Goku and Vegeta. And Bulma created a f'n time machine.
If they really tried, I bet Beerus and even Whis busters is possible (MUI was copied, after all). Maybe even an anti Zeno is doable.
Why not? Human technology in Dragon Ball is insane, practically magic.
Originally posted by Galan007Can we conclude MUI at its peak is > Granolah? Seems to be the case imo
So MUI Goku >> Granolah clone ~/> MSSB+UI Goku.It's unclear how much power the clone had, though. At first Granolah said he "split" his power(implying that the clone may have had 50% of his power)... Then Granolah stated that he placed "some of" his power into the clone(implying that it could have had far less that 50% of his power.)
We also get confirmation from Goku himself that he still cannot sustain MUI for very long, and Granolah also notes that the longer Goku uses MUI, the more his "accuracy" decreases(due to MUI depleting him.) The indication seemed to be that Granolah could not find an exploitable weakness in MUI Goku's form until his stamina started waning a bit.
Originally posted by bbrem123Granolah is almost certainly superior to Goku, given that he was transformed into the strongest being in the universe(apart from the Gods.)
Yes sorry, that was an incorrect statement. It is unsure who is superior. Granted I want to say MUI because well hype from Whis lol
In this instance Granolah chose not to directly fight Goku, because he was conserving his power for a battle with Freeza... Which doesn't really make sense, as Freeza's power shouldn't even register as a blip on the radar compared to current Goku and Vegeta(unless Freeza has been doing some hardcore training since the Broly arc), but I digress...
Anyway, Granolah's wish also doesn't mean that he is insurmountably above MUI Goku either. If MUI Goku is at 100, Granolah could be at 101 -- he'd technically be "the strongest" on paper, but Goku would still be close enough to Granolah's level that he'd be hard-pressed to win.
...But only time will tell how powerful Granolah actually is.
Originally posted by Galan007Well, besides that Freeza probably has been training, and Vegeta and Gokou are probably not leagues above their own power from the ToP, Granolah probably just thinks Freeza is a unbeatable godlike being from a perspective that he has from the saiyans destroying his world and them being beholden to him.
In this instance Granolah chose not to directly fight Goku, because he was conserving his power for a battle with Freeza... Which doesn't really make sense, as Freeza's power shouldn't even register as a blip on the radar compared to current Goku and Vegeta(unless Freeza has been doing some hardcore training since the Broly arc), but I digress...
Originally posted by KentoYeah they are.
and Vegeta and Gokou are probably not leagues above their own power from the ToP
Just after the Moro arc, Whis stated that he wasn't aware of any beings in the universe(barring himself and Beerus, obvs) who were stronger than Goku and Vegeta... And Whis is aware of Broly:
This heavily suggests that even Vegeta > Broly now... And pretty much all licensed material heavily indicates that Broly > Jiren... So you see where I'm going here.
MUI Goku (Moro arc) ~ Angel Moro >>> Moro-73 >> SSB Vegeta (Moro arc) > Broly ~(?) MUI Goku (ToP) > Jiren >>>>> SSB Vegeta (ToP).
...And the Saiyans are even more powerful in the current arc(especially Vegeta), so the gap between their ToP-selves had continued widening.
There is zero chance that Gokou and Vegeta have surpassed Gogeta in one arc. Not to mention Moro arc Vegeta didn't train to get more powerful, he trained to learn new techniques because power wasn't going to help. And the way Gokou is talking, he's asking about someone he wouldn't know about because Whis says someone else might turn out to be the strongest.
Broly is also probably moe akin to pre- old kaioshin unlock Gohan with his power anyway, with rage boost, on top of rage boost that kept him getting more powerful. Without all that, and not wanting to fight, he's not going to come and challenge them anyway.
It's a self-explanatory question/response, though.
Goku: "Do you know of someone stronger than us, Whis?"
Whis: "No, not specifically."
IOW, out of all the beings in the universe that Whis was currently aware of, none of them were stronger than Goku or Vegeta... And Whis is obviously aware of Broly's existence. So based on this statement, it is logical to assume that by the end of the Moro arc, Goku/Vegeta > Broly.
Aside from that, think about the gains they made during the ToP. The Tournament wasn't even an hour long, and look how massively Goku/Vegeta leveled-up in such a short period of time. That said, I'm not at all surprised by the notion that current Goku/Vegeta could have become that powerful since the Broly film.
Not saying it makes sense. Not saying it isn't stupid... But this is DBS, so it just doesn't surprise me.
I mean, look how far up the ladder that Beerus has been randomly scaled-up, with literally NO explanation given. ffs. ermm
Originally posted by KentoEven in the manga their powers skyrocketed throughout the entire ToP. Vegeta said as much:
But Gokou and Vegeta never got massive boosts in power in the manga in base forms or anything like they did in the anime, they each got new forms in UI and SSBE as their boosts.
And even the sassy asshat known as Jiren acknowledged their considerable powerup during the ToP.