Originally posted by carver9Fights either end instantly or take longer than full powered fusion lasts. Or somehow fusion ends premature by a attack when they aren't full power in like every Gotenks fight besides Super Buur or Abo and Kado. So no its never been enough time.
5 minutes is more than enough. Like Vegeta told Goku "a minute is like an eternity in a fight like this".
Originally posted by carver9
5 minutes is more than enough. Like Vegeta told Goku "a minute is like an eternity in a fight like this".
You are completely misinterpreting, if I understood what scene you are referring to.
You are talking about when Goku was trying to get Vegeta to buy him just one minute against Kid Buu, so he could power up in SSJ3 some more.
Goku thought it was a reasonable amount of time, and said if he could have just one uninterrupted minute, he would be good.
But Vegeta wasn't confident he could last that long against Kid Buu, that's what he meant when he mentioned eternity. A common turn of phrase for the common feeling that something difficult feels like its taking much longer to do than something easy, even if its the same passage of time for both.
Then he built up his bravado and said if he can't even last 60 seconds against Buu than he deserves to die.
Fights in DBZ between well-matched foes do not last a short time.
Goku and Golden Frieza's fight took over 30 minutes. As seen by the fact that Whis said it would take him and Beerus 30 minutes to fly to Earth, and by the time they made it there, Goku and Frieza's fight was already well underway.
A short fusion Gotenks would be a terrible idea to bring along.
He knew he could last against Buu, he just knew that a minute is forever in a fight with people who possess their level of speed. A minute is eternity to someone like Roshi (the guy did a martial arts tournament and played rock paper in less than a second). No telling what time looks like to Vegeta at that level.
He knew he could last against Buu, he just knew that a minute is forever in a fight with people who possess their level of speed.
Carver, you are the absolutely worst person on this forum when it comes to interpretations and comprehension. Often taking a word or sentence and warping the meaning to something completely different that you wish was being said.
I like you, but I often seriously question your intelligence, or, honesty, often both. Your memory too.
Here is the phucking video of the conversation, and it has absolutely nothing to do with your crazy, far-fetched extrapolation, and exactly to do with what I said:
Here, I'll even transcribe the entire conversation here so you have absolutely no room to pretend you didn't hear everything or glossed something over:
Goku: "Hey we'll switch in a little while ok? I still have some fight left in me."
Vegeta: "Ha. I know you don't intend to switch. You can't fool me. C'mon! You know better than anyone that I wouldn't stand a chance against Buu in his present form. He'd tear me apart."
Goku: "What? Nah, you'd do fine."
Vegeta: "Don't give me that. I know what you are trying to do Kakarrot, so don't bother. I fought him, I had my chance, I know the truth. He's stronger than me. You know that."
Goku: "Vegeta?"
Vegeta: "Go get him, don't worry about me! You're a Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to generate more than enough power to destroy that monster!"
Goku: "Well, maybe I could've beaten him when I was fresh, but I let the fight drag on so you could have a shot."
Vegeta: "Huh???"
Goku: "I should have done it! Darn it now I'm weak, I'll need time!"
Vegeta: "How much time?"
Goku: "If I even had one minute, just one minute with no interruptions!"
Vegeta: "In this fight, one minute is eternity.." (notice he is slumped over and his left eye is twitching while he says this, he is nervous).
Goku: "Oh man, I don't believe this! He's having the time of his life there! He's toying with us!"
Vegeta: "Kakarrot, leave it to me. Go ahead and get the rest that you need, I got your minute covered."
Goku: "But Vegeta you could be destroyed!"
Vegeta: "If I can't last one lousy minute then perhaps that's what I deserve."
Goku: "Hey that's not true."
Vegeta: "You've got 60 seconds Kakarrot."
So it's the complete opposite of what you said. Vegeta was the complete opposite of confident that he could last one minute, and Goku once he dropped the thoughtful act thought Vegeta might get destroyed too. Vegeta lacked confidence so badly that he was even cheerleading Goku on to beat Buu, saying he's a Super Saiyan 3 and that he should have no problem destroying him. (With the proverbial clenched fist of bro-encouragement and all. lol)
Your claim that he was talking about how that time would feel due to their speed is hilariously tone-deaf and has nothing to do with the situation. I mean just THINK how redundant that would be to say, look who he is talking to! He's not talking to some average joe who has no concept of Super speed. He is talking to Goku. A guy who is way stronger than him at this point, of course Goku would know how long a minute would feel seeing as he is even FASTER than Vegeta.
Jesus christ, what a bone-headed interpretation.
Notice how, again, Goku is the one saying he only needs a minute, so he is saying its not a big deal. Yet somehow you think Vegeta is chiming in talking about how a minute is forever because of speed? No.
Vegeta then also downplays one minute, calling it 60 seconds specifically, and, saying if he can't even last that long he deserves to die.
Remember also, that Goku was attempting to power up during that whole minute, that was the whole point of it, so its not as if he is sitting down to drink tea and getting out of super-speed mode, no, its the exact opposite, he is powering up the whole time, so his brain is already at the 'max speed' setting.
If I had a boxer friend who said he needed a minute to stall against Mike Tyson so he can warm up properly, and if I said 1 minute against Tyson is like an eternity, it is literally the exact same comment.
I can't ****ing believe you didn't understand something so socially basic.
Quite frankly, I just believe you were lying and trying to obfuscate the source/context of that quote so someone wouldn't call you out on it. Too bad, I did.
A minute is eternity to someone like Roshi (the guy did a martial arts tournament and played rock paper in less than a second). No telling what time looks like to Vegeta at that level.
...And then of course this is classic Carver shit right afterward. Giving red herrings that have nothing to do with the conversation, after your initial claim got called out as a misinterpretation, then you bring up unrelated shit to try to justify your misinterpretation, even though that's not even what's being discussed.
Yes! Exactly! Who knows time looks like to Vegeta at that level! Seeing as you definitely don't. You brought up a completely unrelated quote to your train of thought and misinterpreted. You're basically just begging the question to self-justify your false interpration.
To entertain your red herring for a moment:
Roshi? No, one minute would not feel like an 'eternity' to him.
Krillin and Roshi exchanged a punch and kick or two, spit and snorted at each other briefly, and had one rock paper scissor match, all in under a second. (So let's say half a second). What they did is basically 30 seconds of work in half a second.
That means 1 second would feel like 1 minute to them. and 1 minute would feel like an hour. Hardly an 'eternity'.
Seeing as 30 minutes for a fusion time is still considered relatively short amount of time for a fight for them, I have no idea where you got this stupid idea that 1 minute was enough for them in a fight.
If you are wondering what I think their perception of time is? Closest hint there is would be Beerus saying 2 minutes and 20 seconds felt like it was 220 years for him while he was flying to whatever planet Whis was on for that dinosaur meat.
Now that was clearly a play on the numbers and him exaggerating about his impatience, but at the same time, he didn't sound like he was in a joking mood when he said it. So at any rate, since he was clearly exaggerating, his perception of time most likely can't be any faster than that. So for now at least, that is the max we can assume it is, if we were to take the statement seriously.
Originally posted by carver9Super Buu and Gotenks... Even... Couldn't get done. Mystic Gohan vs Buutenks, Gohan was able to not die for half an hour albeit with minor help but Buutenks was so far above him that Gohan could not hurt him at all.
But if they fight someone that they are even with then 5 minutes is more than enough.
Then Hirudegarn they get knocked out of Fusion early, Beerus they got knocked out of fusion early.
Then take into account Gotenks is probably the most cocky character ever because of Trunks and five to ten minutes just isn't enough. Thirty minutes isn't ever enough and they can't even last that long and then once they unfuse they are powerless for the most part for an hour.
Originally posted by Estacadospecially since he didn't even last a minute. Satan saved him and then the Fat Buu emerging and stuff.
Lulz at carter.Its obvious Vegeta said it cause it will be hard for him to put up a fight even for a minute when he is going up against someone like Buu.
Not because time slows down to him to such degrees.....haermm
Originally posted by Estacado
Lulz at carter.Its obvious Vegeta said it cause it will be hard for him to put up a fight even for a minute when he is going up against someone like Buu.
Not because time slows down to him to such degrees.....haermm
Meh. Remember Namek Frieza fight...?
At the Buu Saga, 1 minute was really f*cking long for any Z fighter.