I have to say, when Wolverine fights other single characters, he pretty much just keeps on coming, and does not get KOed. Yes lesser, more inexperienced, versions have him been knocked out, usually when hit unawares, but when he fights other super-characters, especially one on one, he does not stop until he wins. Anyone thinking Cap would run over Wolverine is kidding themselves. Not saying Logan will win here, but this would be one heck of a fight.
Originally posted by DTM
Actually, Ill add that I will vote for Cap in the end (his shield is the perfect counter for Logans claws), just as I would if this were their comic forms, but Ill again support this being one Heck of a good, solid fight.
Actually comic book Logan kicks comic book caps ass, Logan in the comics is a much better fighter, but they fail to show that in the films
Originally posted by Silent Master
Considering the number of times movie Logan has been ko'd, I don't see him standing up to Cap's damage output for long.
I see, using low feats only eh? The reality is, Logan has beaten better people than Cap, and considerably better. He also has high durability showings you seem to be forgetting here. I could easily say, if Juggs (somebody far stronger than Cap and more striking power, can't KO logan than Cap has no hope) See how that works? Let's also not forgetting the Phoenix basically trying to fry him into ash like she was doing to everybody else. Only Wolverine was tanking it, stuff that would've outright killed Cap or at least KO'd him. I could cite him dealing with Sentinels... Again somebody more powerful than WS or Cap. Same with the S.S. somebody more powerful than WS and easily. The reality is that Wolverine has beaten better people and stood up to more damage. How people can claim Cap wins, and even easily is just retarded. If anything, this is Wolverine's fight to lose.
Originally posted by DTM
Actually, Ill add that I will vote for Cap in the end (his shield is the perfect counter for Logans claws), just as I would if this were their comic forms, but Ill again support this being one Heck of a good, solid fight.
Based on comic feats Wolverine beats Steve and it's spite.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I see, using low feats only eh? The reality is, Logan has beaten better people than Cap, and considerably better. He also has high durability showings you seem to be forgetting here. I could easily say, if Juggs (somebody far stronger than Cap and more striking power, can't KO logan than Cap has no hope) See how that works? Let's also not forgetting the Phoenix basically trying to fry him into ash like she was doing to everybody else. Only Wolverine was tanking it, stuff that would've outright killed Cap or at least KO'd him. I could cite him dealing with Sentinels... Again somebody more powerful than WS or Cap. Same with the S.S. somebody more powerful than WS and easily. The reality is that Wolverine has beaten better people and stood up to more damage. How people can claim Cap wins, and even easily is just retarded. If anything, this is Wolverine's fight to lose.
Ok so name the ones who were
a. Stronger than Cap that Wolverine has beaten
b. Faster than Cap that Wolverine has beaten
c. More skilled than Cap that Wolverine has beaten
Problem with Juggs is that he may be stronger than Cap but he's not even close to the same speed or skill.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok so name the ones who werea. Stronger than Cap that Wolverine has beaten
b. Faster than Cap that Wolverine has beaten
c. More skilled than Cap that Wolverine has beatenProblem with Juggs is that he may be stronger than Cap but he's not even close to the same speed or skill.
None of them have to be more skilled or stronger or more durable or anything to be overall more powerful. Just because Phoenix isn't as skilled h2h doesn't change the fact that she would curb Cap with the utmost ease.
Further, Juggs is most defiantly stronger and has more striking power. Yet he was unable to KO wolverine. This comment was made directly to Silent who claimed Wolverine has been KO'd enough times in movies that Steve should have no issue. Thus me pointing this out clearly makes said statement completely false.
Juggs is stronger than Cap or Bucky
Juggs has more striking power than Cap or Bucky
Juggs is more durable than either of them
Phoenix is just overall more powerful.. nothing further needs to be said here
Sabertooth I would venture to say is just as strong as Cap or Bucky but it's hard since he has no strength feats really. However, in overall formidability I'd say he's every bit as dangerous as Cap or bucky and likely more so considering his claws, regen and skills
Wolverine Weapon X and was holding his own. Somebody that again, is more powerful than either Cap or Bucky. . His array of abilities makes him vastly more formidable. He's also more skilled than Cap or Bucky and a better Regen.
Wolverine went head on with the S.S. who I'd say is likely stronger than either Cap or Bucky. Not as fast obviously but thanks to his Adamantium he's more durable. Plus he had a weapon that could cut Adamantium.. Something Steve could only dream of doing.
He's battled Sentinels before, who again, are more formidable than either Cap or Bucky and he's beaten them. They can also get VASTLY stronger than Cap or Bucky and are more durable. They are just plain better overall in formidability.
he also fought another formidable foe with adamantium in Origins. It was his female counterpart.. claws.. adamantium... very skilled and thus formidable. He beat her as well.
Point is, Wolverine has a long and decorated history of beating people far more formidable than Cap or Bucky. Which is the point I was making.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Sabertooth I would venture to say is just as strong as Cap or Bucky but it's hard since he has no strength feats really. However, in overall formidability I'd say he's every bit as dangerous as Cap or bucky and likely more so considering his claws, regen and skills
Sabretooth has no feats that put him above Cap, other than his healing. And a straight hit to the face, once Logan got adamantium, was enough to KO him. And how would his "skills" make him more so? What has he done to suggest he is more skillful than either Cap or Bucky?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wolverine Weapon X and was holding his own. Somebody that again, is more powerful than either Cap or Bucky. . His array of abilities makes him vastly more formidable. He's also more skilled than Cap or Bucky and a better Regen.
He was totally outclassed and getting his ass kicked. He was just about to lose his head when Creed interfered. Let's not pretend like Logan had a snowball's chance in hell of beating Weapon X on his own.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wolverine went head on with the S.S. who I'd say is likely stronger than either Cap or Bucky. Not as fast obviously but thanks to his Adamantium he's more durable. Plus he had a weapon that could cut Adamantium.. Something Steve could only dream of doing.
Again, Wolverine was losing and even getting his regen drained when someone interfered and stuck a blade (think it was still one of Logan's lopped off claws) in S.S.'s head. So again, another fight Logan was losing before someone interfered.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He's battled Sentinels before, who again, are more formidable than either Cap or Bucky and he's beaten them. They can also get VASTLY stronger than Cap or Bucky and are more durable. They are just plain better overall in formidability.
The past Sentinels? More formidable than Cap or Bucky? Based on what exactly? Firing a minigun into a crowd of innocent people? Cap's easily taken out a faster, more agile flying thing, with a mounted minigun before too. And Logan is never shown battling future Sentinels (first fight he isn't even there, second one he is unconscious on a table), so we have no idea how he'd perform against them. Also, during the encounter in the past, Beast ended up taking over fighting the one sentinel while Logan went after Magneto, and in the Danger Room training he needed Colossus' assistance with the toss to decap the fake one.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
he also fought another formidable foe with adamantium in Origins. It was his female counterpart.. claws.. adamantium... very skilled and thus formidable. He beat her as well.
He was outclassed and getting his ass kicked again throughout that entire fight, and needed to inject her with liquid adamantium to win. Which is not a factor in this match.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Point is, Wolverine has a long and decorated history of beating people far more formidable than Cap or Bucky. Which is the point I was making.
The only being on this list Logan beat purely by his own combat abilities was Sabretooth, and that was after he got adamantium. All the others he had help or exploited something in the environment.
Don't get me wrong. Wolverine is tough and will make Cap work for it. But the fact remains that Cap with his shield should have enough strength to knock Logan out. And he is also faster, more agile, and displays more skill. That being said, Steve would need to go for the quick KO. If this match drags on and Logan starts scoring hits, it's going to tip decidedly in his favour.
Originally posted by DTM
Not IMHO, though I would say that a comic fight between these two would be a bit closer than using their movie versions.
Let's just say the last time they fought, Cap ended up with his gut split open and Ant-Man had to push Logan out of a moving Quinjet to save Steve's life.