Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNot true, Nomi did it Ulic single-handedly:
Single Jedi cannot perform Wall of Light.No, Vitiate cannot be restrained or countered without a form. Simple.
"I imprison you in a wall of light. A fortress to block you from the Force…blind you to your Jedi powers…"
--Tales of the Jedi: The Sith War 5: Brother Against Brother
You also conveniently elected to ignore the fact that Exar Kun, despite not possessing a form, was trapped and vanquished using a Wall of Light. Why should the Sith Emperor be any different? A wall of light is effective against anything of the dark side, period.
Originally posted by NephthysLuke and Leia are described as cutting Reborn Palpatine off from the Force using a wave of light side energy, and I believe they learnt that from a holocron dating back to the ToJ era. He's also the greatest Jedi and so master of the light ever so I would think so.
Does Luke know Wall of Light?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not true, Nomi did it Ulic single-handedly:"I imprison you in a wall of light. A fortress to block you from the Force…blind you to your Jedi powers…"
--Tales of the Jedi: The Sith War 5: Brother Against Brother
You also conveniently elected to ignore the fact that Exar Kun, despite possessing a form, was trapped and vaniquished using a Wall of Light. Why should the Sith Emperor be any different? A wall of light is effective against anything of the dark side, period.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Luke and Leia are described as cutting Reborn Palpatine off from the Force using a wave of light side energy, and I believe they learnt that from a holocron dating back to the ToJ era. He's also the greatest Jedi and so master of the light ever so I would think so.
FYI, the Empire is mobilizing a group of powerful Sith Seers to get a fix on Vitiate after his return. Conventional techniques will not do.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
The same technique was used successfully against the spirit of Exar Kun, twice. The Sith Emperor is a spirit, therefore it can be used against him.
You must be tired of posting this nonsensical defeated argument. But lets have another laugh at your expense. Prove the wall of light affects every kind of sith spirit in a similar fashion, since we've all proven vitiate's spirit<><exar kun's spirit.
Originally posted by psmith81992As I recall, you gave up on that argument, respond to my points on the subject and I'll consider fulfilling this request.
You must be tired of posting this nonsensical defeated argument. But lets have another laugh at your expense. Prove the wall of light affects every kind of sith spirit in a similar fashion, since we've all proven vitiate's spirit<><exar kun's spirit.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDLuke Skywalker is twice as powerful as Darth Sidious. And yes he realise that potential, hence why he has some of the most impressive and unprecedented Force showings in mythos.
Vitiate is far more powerful then Exar Kun.
Yes, but have Luke ever performed Wall of Light by himself? Even if he have, their is no guarantee that a single Jedi can restrain Vitiate.He has demonstrated ability in the technique, and considering lesser Force users such as Nomi Sunrider and Kyle Katarn have done so, I see no reason to believe Luke would not be capable. No there is no guarantee, but I was initially responding to Neph's question:FYI, the Empire is mobilizing a group of powerful Sith Seers to get a fix on Vitiate after his return. Conventional techniques will not do.
Can Luke actually do anything to Spirit Vitiate?
A wall of light would effect him, so yes there is something he can do. Its questionable whether it would work. But considering how much raw power Luke possesses, I'd say its a strong possibility.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
As I recall, you gave up on that argument, respond to my points on the subject and I'll consider fulfilling this request.
No, we pretty much agreed you'd just keep on posting the same nonsense until you were red in the face and decided to move on.
Luke Skywalker is twice as powerful as Darth Sidious. And yes he realise that potential, hence why he has some of the most impressive and unprecedented Force showings in mythos.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Luke Skywalker is twice as powerful as Darth Sidious. And yes he realise that potential,
Sidious's Dark Empire incarnation is much stronger.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
hence why he has some of the most impressive and unprecedented Force showings in mythos.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
He has demonstrated ability in the technique, and considering lesser Force users such as Nomi Sunrider and Kyle Katarn have done so, I see no reason to believe Luke would not be capable.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
No there is no guarantee, but I was initially responding to Neph's question:Can Luke actually do anything to Spirit Vitiate?
A wall of light would effect him, so yes there is something he can do. Its questionable whether it would work. But considering how much raw power Luke possesses, I'd say its a strong possibility.
For elaboration:
"The Dread Masters changed Oricon. Even their combined power is insignificant compared to the Emperor."
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Shadow of Revan
A single Dread Master is a very powerful Force-user. Combined, they can destroy entire fleets and more. But compared to Vitiate....
Originally posted by psmith81992Whatever your excuses might be, the fact remains that you failed to prove what your asserting. So if your going to attempt to make him beholden to anything you say, your going to have to address my response. Fact is the spirits of the Sith Emperor and Exar Kun are the same, and you've failed to prove otherwise.
No, we pretty much agreed you'd just keep on posting the same nonsense until you were red in the face and decided to move on.
But heck, I'll humor you anyway. The wall of light is a power designed to extinguish the dark side in whatever form it takes, this information is freely available on Wookieepedia, so go look it up. Proof of this is in its application, with Thon using it to contain the dark side energy of Ambria to a single lake, and Nomi using a variant to dispel Keto's illusions.
It is obvious that the tangibility of the target has no effect on this power, and as a power that expunges the dark side, we have no reason to assume that the Sith Emperor's spirit, a being of dark side energy, would be an exception. If you'd like to prove why he would, go ahead tbh.
LOL. Prove either of those.You must be a glutton for punishment...
Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful,” he says. “But he ended up losing his legs and an arm and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there’s not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than him.
--George Lucas, "Star Wars: The Last Battle" Vanity Fair Magazine
If you didn't catch that, its G-Canon that Vader/Anakin could have become 200% of the Emperor.
From then on, he [Vader] wasn't as strong as the Emperor – he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that.
--George Lucas, "The Cult of Darth Vader" Rolling Stone
Lucas then goes on to claim, that Luke could fufil that potential i.e. become twice as powerful as Sidious.
As for the second part, go read on up his abilities tbh: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/faymousinus/blog/luke-skywalker-respect-thread/98314/
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIf you wanna argue the Sith Emperor more than twice as powerful as ROTJ Sidious then have fun.
*snip*
But anyway, neither Kyle Katarn nor Nomi Sunrider were noted to have any special proficiency for wall of light, and ultimately considering Luke was capable of the ability, it would be merely a matter of strength, with Luke has in abundance.
Simply put that stance is extremely unlikely, and the logic is shaky at best.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Luke easily
Originally posted by Angelalex242
Luke pwns. Taking out a spirit being is well within the capabilities of the strongest Lightsider in the entire EU.
Vitiate is so powerful that he can destroy/consume an entire world.
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Exar Kun subdued Luke (NJO). Comparatively, Lord Nyax outgunned an even stronger incarnation of Luke, the incarnation that influenced a Vong blackhole.
Anyway, to answer the thread itself I'm currently waiting on confirmation about the Emperor's abilities in this form. If he were truly able to unleash planetary-level power upon enemies then why did he not obliterate the protagonists? I know he says that he thinks its more amusing to let them live by I think thats obviously bs from a dude who just got ass-whooped by them.
Speaking of which, on Ziost he only challenges the protags while possessing people. Can he fight someone as a spirit? Or maybe splitting himself up across so many people took all his energy? But again, afterwards? Well afterwards he annihilates Ziost so maybe he did reach godlike heights in his spirit form.
So, I dunno. If he can attack Luke with something on the scale of Ziost, I really doubt Luke is surviving.