Originally posted by Nephthys
Exar Kun brushed it off. 😬But please, prove that Wall of Light is unsurvivable. Because that's complete bullshit.
When? He was destroyed by it.
Prove that it's not, no one has ever actually survived one and its quoted as the most destructive light side power imaginable....
Originally posted by Nephthys
Anyway, to answer the thread itself I'm currently waiting on confirmation about the Emperor's abilities in this form. If he were truly able to unleash planetary-level power upon enemies then why did he not obliterate the protagonists? I know he says that he thinks its more amusing to let them live by I think thats obviously bs from a dude who just got ass-whooped by them.Speaking of which, on Ziost he only challenges the protags while possessing people. Can he fight someone as a spirit? Or maybe splitting himself up across so many people took all his energy? But again, afterwards? Well afterwards he annihilates Ziost so maybe he did reach godlike heights in his spirit form.
So, I dunno. If he can attack Luke with something on the scale of Ziost, I really doubt Luke is surviving.
For example, before Vitiate sent a group of possessed hosts charging towards the (PC) protagonist, Theron Shan had configured a core machine to unleash powerful bursts of electricity that took out several of the Vitiate's possessed hosts. However, one possessed host stood-out by tanking the powerful bursts of electricity, that of a Jedi Master. And Vitiate used this possessed host to fight the (PC) protagonist which also didn't prove up to the challenge.
Vitiate then decided to let go of the hosts and utilize his power in destructive manner, and end-result is in front of you.
Originally posted by Selenial
When? He was destroyed by it.Prove that it's not, no one has ever actually survived one and its quoted as the most destructive light side power imaginable....
Odan-Urr.
Ahaha, that's really all you have? That's adorable. I don't have to prove a negative, you have to prove that your claim is valid. Also... Ulic survived it. WTF???
Originally posted by Nephthys
Odan-Urr.Ahaha, that's really all you have? That's adorable. I don't have to prove a negative, you have to prove that your claim is valid. Also... Ulic survived it. WTF???
Because she used Sever Force on Ulic? They're different aspects of the same power. "We must create a wall of light…either to cleanse…or destroy."
Besides, how on earth is Ulics survival and vitiates the same thing? The wall of light uncontrollable cleanses all dark taint, Vitiate is alive as a ****ing spirit, he's not getting away from it. If he's cut off from the dark side for a split second he is gone, nothing he can do.
"I imprison you in a wall of light. A fortress to block you from the Force…blind you to your Jedi powers…"
--Tales of the Jedi: The Sith War 5: Brother Against Brother
It's Wall of Light, the same power that Odan-Urr taught her and then used on Kun.
It proves that it's not some instant-death attack since Ulic survived. If Wall of Light was that hax then the Jedi Council would have annihilated Malak when he attacked Dantooine and Traya in Kotor 2. Nomi would have one-shot Kun in the senate. And Vitiate would just resist that shit like Kun did.
Originally posted by Nephthys
"I imprison you in a wall of light. A fortress to block you from the Force…blind you to your Jedi powers…"--Tales of the Jedi: The Sith War 5: Brother Against Brother
It's Wall of Light, the same power that Odan-Urr taught her and then used on Kun.
It proves that it's not some instant-death attack since Ulic survived. If Wall of Light was that hax then the Jedi Council would have annihilated Malak when he attacked Dantooine and Traya in Kotor 2. Nomi would have one-shot Kun in the senate. And Vitiate would just resist that shit like Kun did.
You need to educate yourself on the ground realities of the wall of Light 😎
"When you feel the dark side energies turned against you, you must use your Jedi abilities to take power away from an opponent, rather than to inflict harm. This technique blinds your enemy to the Force with a wall of light, a permanent blockage if you so choose, rendering him unable to use Jedi powers. It is difficult. And it is the most devastating attack possible using the powers of the light side. To block a Jedi from the Force—even a Dark Jedi—is a terrible thing."
Sever force was the passive variation of wall of light. Luke used the Wall of Light to completely stop a Force Storm because Walls of Light inherently block Dark Side powers. Luke doesn't even need to use the variant that destroyed Yavin IV, all he needs to do is block Vitiate from his power and he is gone.
Originally posted by NephthysWhy not? If Luke Skywalker successfully generates a wall of light, one would theorise the Sith Emperor would have to exert more power than Luke is capable of putting in to it to escape.
No. The answer is no to Luke one-shotting him. Lol.
Therefore if Luke > Emperor, the Emperor should fail.
EDIT: Sel is correct, Nomi had no intention of killing Ulic.
However its obvious that wall of light has the capability to destroy.
Originally posted by Selenial
When? He was destroyed by it.[b]Prove that it's not
, no one has ever actually survived one and its quoted as the most destructive light side power imaginable.... [/B]
That's not how this works. We've only seen it used once? Or twice? And I believe Odan Urr said it was ONE of the most destructive light side powers. And even then it's his opinion.
Originally posted by psmith81992One instance is enough, it sets a precedent. On the other hand, what prove do you have to the contrary?
That's not how this works. We've only seen it used once? Or twice? And I believe Odan Urr said it was ONE of the most destructive light side powers. And even then it's his opinion.
Odan Urr said it is:
"...the most devastating attack possible using the powers of the light side."
We are given no reason to doubt his words, him being among the most knowledgeable Jedi in history.
Originally posted by Selenial
You need to educate yourself on the ground realities of the wall of Light 😎"When you feel the dark side energies turned against you, you must use your Jedi abilities to take power away from an opponent, rather than to inflict harm. This technique blinds your enemy to the Force with a wall of light, a permanent blockage if you so choose, rendering him unable to use Jedi powers. It is difficult. And it is the most devastating attack possible using the powers of the light side. To block a Jedi from the Force—even a Dark Jedi—is a terrible thing."
Sever force was the passive variation of wall of light. Luke used the Wall of Light to completely stop a Force Storm because Walls of Light inherently block Dark Side powers. Luke doesn't even need to use the variant that destroyed Yavin IV, all he needs to do is block Vitiate from his power and he is gone.
I'm not convinced that Sever Force and Wall of Light are the same thing, just because they can do the same thing. But my original quibble was you saying Wall of Light was an unblockable, unsurvivable attack when clearly thats bs. Thats been established, I think so thats cool.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Why not? If Luke Skywalker successfully generates a wall of light, one would theorise the Sith Emperor would have to exert more power than Luke is capable of putting in to it to escape.Therefore if Luke > Emperor, the Emperor should fail.
EDIT: Sel is correct, Nomi had no intention of killing Ulic.
However its obvious that wall of light has the capability to destroy.
Because Luke isn't strong enough to one-shot Vitiate. Using any attack.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Yes...A GROUP of jedi doing the wall of light destroyed Yavin IV (although the temples were left intact).
And? A non prime Luke created a wall of light far larger than that with Leia. Leia wasn't even that powerful as Jedi go.
Luke grew exponentially in power however and wouldn't need to create a wall of light that size, it's pretty clear that he could make one alone.
Originally posted by Selenial
And? A non prime Luke created a wall of light far larger than that with Leia. Leia wasn't even that powerful as Jedi go.Luke grew exponentially in power however and wouldn't need to create a wall of light that size, it's pretty clear that he could make one alone.
No, it's not pretty clear that he could make one alone. That's called reaching. So what you have is thousands of jedi barely being able to do what one sith lord did by himself...As a spirit...Followed by assertions.
Well...for all Vitiate's experience, he just hasn't got enough power to compete. And, Luke has been war trained most of his life. Nothing sharpens the old skills like 'succeed or die.' Vitiate...tended to do less with all those centuries he existed. He didn't risk himself the way Luke Hero Complex Skywalker does.
You should go look at this thread Angelalex......