Most powerful Sith? Spring 2015 ed.

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Emperor [b]Vitiate is the most powerful, and he is followed by Darth Sidious. Shortly after falls Darth Krayt and Darth Caeuds, who are equals. Then we got the following, not in order:
Tulak Hord, Marka Ragnos, Freedon Nadd, Exar Kun, Darth Revan, Darth Malgus, Darth Nox, Emperor's Wrath, Darth Bane, and Darth Vader should all be around the same level. [/B]
I'm just going to assume your forgot about Darth Plagueis.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Ah, and for my list of other people, I forgot [b]Darth Plagueis. [/B]

Yeah just saw it, balance restored.

Well this thread died fast.

Marry me.

No one else confused as to why Ant's primary reason for placing Sidious at 2, is that he was confirmd as Number one in many sources?

Originally posted by Sinious
1) DE Sidious
2) Vitiate

Expected better from you, honestly.

Vitiate have:-

01. Survived in a ritual that destroyed 8000 other Sith Lord participants.
02. Created a nexus of dark side energy on planet Dromund Kaas (i.e. Dark Temple region)
03. Corrupted the entire environment of planet Dromund Kaas.
04. Concealed the presence of thousands of his minions stationed within the Republic and Jedi Order by virtue of First Son.
06. Augmented the power of thousands of individuals on galactic-scale.
07. Defeated an entire Dark Council based Sith Strike Team.
08. Defeated Jedi Strike Teams.
09. Possessed all living beings on planet Ziost, ranging from normal individuals to powerful Force-users.
10. Atomized all life on planet Ziost.
11. Destroyed the entire environment of planet Ziost.

Hype wise:-

1. Most powerful Force-user ever.
2. Almost godlike avatar of the dark side.
3. The combined might of Dread Masters being insignificant in comparison.
4. Most powerful Sith Lord.

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Sidious is outgunned.

Originally posted by Selenial
No one else confused as to why Ant's primary reason for placing Sidious at 2, is that he was confirmd as Number one in many sources?

Sources that predate introduction of Vitiate. Common sense.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
09. Possessed all living beings on planet Ziost, ranging from normal individuals to powerful Force-users.
10. Atomized all life on planet Ziost.
11. Destroyed the entire environment of planet Ziost..

None of these are true, tbh.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
None of these are true, tbh.

Excuse me?

Vitiate dominates all inhabitants of Ziost:

The Emperor escaped destruction on Yavin 4, and now his presence has been felt on the planet Ziost, once powerful throne world of the Sith Empire. You are called upon again to face this galactic menace when your allies realize that the entire planet's inhabitants have been mind-controlled. And while the Emperor's ultimate plan is still unknown, you do know he must be stopped.

Source: http://www.swtor.com/blog/welcome-game-update-3.2-rise-emperor

Vitiate's power atomizes all life on Ziost:

Vitiate's power destroys the atmosphere of Ziost:

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
None of these are true, tbh.

Aren't you the one who posted the sources saying he'd possessed all life on Ziost just a few days ago?

@LeGenD: You don't need to act so offended, bro.

9.) He didn't possess any of the protags, Lana, Theron, or the Republic spy. So instead of "all," 99%. 😉
10.) Not true. Even in your picture, some of the trees and flowered remained. They were merely sucked of their life, energy, and color.
Also, around 30 bodies of Imperial soldiers survived, actually. They were greatly disfigured into black Darth Sion's, but they weren't turned into ash. Some of them even still had genetic information in them.
11.) Perhaps I misunderstand what you meant. I mean that the atmosphere was still livable, and that the Force was still present.

So Ziost isn't another Natemha? Interesting.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@LeGenD: You don't need to act so offended, bro.

09.) He didn't possess any of the protags, Lana, Theron, or the Republic spy. So instead of "all," 99%. 😉
10.) Not true. Even in your picture, some of the trees and flowered remained. They were merely sucked of their life, energy, and color.
Also, around 30 bodies of Imperial soldiers survived, actually. They were greatly disfigured into black Darth Sion's, but they weren't turned into ash. Some of them even still had genetic information in them.
11.) Perhaps I misunderstand what you meant. I mean that the atmosphere was still livable, and that the Force was still present.


09.) Protags arrive after Vitiate had dominated all individuals on Ziost (confirmed in the information that I provided). Nonetheless, their arrival doesn't refutes earlier developments on Ziost and Vitiate's potential to dominate an entire planet, should he desire.

10.) Well, most of the living beings evaporated upon contact with Vitiate's power. It is possible that bodies of a few individuals remained intact to some extent but this may be due to their position at the time of Vitiate's power spreading around the planet.

11.) I am considering demonstrated story-elements only. Game mechanics are not realistic.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
09.) Protags arrive after Vitiate had dominated all individuals on Ziost. Nonetheless, their arrival doesn't refutes earlier developments and Vitiate's potential to dominate an entire planet, should he desire.

10.) Well, most of the living beings evaporated upon contact with Vitiate's power. It is possible that bodies of a few individuals remained intact to some extent but this may be due to their position at the time of Vitiate's power spreading around the planet.

11.) I am considering story-elements only. Game mechanics are not realistic.

9 is incorrect.
So is 11, it's stated in a cutscene that the atmosphere is livable and transport to the surface is safe.

9.) Eh... not really.
10.) See, no reason to get all fussy.
11.) Nah, the atmosphere was canonically breathable.
I can neither confirm nor deny the Force, but considering they fight two giant Monoliths, it probably is still present.

Originally posted by Sinious
So Ziost isn't another Natemha? Interesting.

No one ever listens to me do they? 😕

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
9.) Eh... not really.
10.) See, no reason to get all fussy.
11.) Nah, the atmosphere was canonically breathable.
I can neither confirm nor deny the Force, but considering they fight two giant Monoliths, it probably is still present.

If you take fight mechanics as canon, which you do, then Vitiate didn't even fully drain the planet as one of the Monoliths both awakens and drains ancient energies.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Expected better from you, honestly.

I've never denied DE Sidious' superiority over Vitiate as a combatant even when I first joined the forums and sincerely believed that Vitiate might have surpassed him in the force(which I don't anymore).

Vitiate have:-

01. Survived in a ritual that destroyed 8000 other Sith Lord participants.
02. Created a nexus of dark side energy on planet Dromund Kaas (i.e. Dark Temple region)
03. Corrupted the entire environment of planet Dromund Kaas.
04. Concealed the presence of thousands of his minions stationed within the Republic and Jedi Order by virtue of First Son.
06. Augmented the power of thousands of individuals on galactic-scale.
07. Defeated an entire Dark Council based Sith Strike Team.
08. Defeated Jedi Strike Teams.
09. Possessed all living beings on planet Ziost, ranging from normal individuals to powerful Force-users.
10. Atomized all life on planet Ziost.
11. Destroyed the entire environment of planet Ziost.

Most of these are not combat applicable.

Hype wise:-

1. Most powerful Force-user ever.
2. Almost godlike avatar of the dark side.
3. The combined might of Dread Masters being insignificant in comparison.
4. Most powerful Sith Lord.

Obviously, most powerful force user ever applies to the history of the republic and Sidious has better hype compared to the other accolades you've listed.

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Sidious is outgunned.

Nah.

Originally posted by Selenial
9 is incorrect.
So is 11, it's stated in a cutscene that the atmosphere is livable and transport to the surface is safe.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
9.) Eh... not really.
10.) See, no reason to get all fussy.
11.) Nah, the atmosphere was canonically breathable.
I can neither confirm nor deny the Force, but considering they fight two giant Monoliths, it probably is still present.

How is (9.) incorrect when I have cited official disclosure as evidence?

11.) Monoliths are monsters, not Force-users.

Also, is their de-coloration on Ziost after the events depicted in the video?