Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
How is (9.) incorrect when I have cited official disclosure as evidence?11.) Monoliths are monsters, not Force-users.
Also, is their de-coloration on Ziost after the events depicted in the video?
Because Beniko talks about it to the Protags when they first land, that as more of them are killed he gains enough power to corrupt more citizens, spreading across the world. That means it's still happening.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
How about tearing the surface from worlds, y'know, obliterating the top surface layer. I think its pretty clear.And we see Sidious' Force storms obliterating fleets and the damage it caused (inadvertently to Coruscant) was such that the planet still hadn't recovered 6 years later.
However if your going to claim ambiguity, then you can't make assumptions e.g. the Sith Emperor's showing his more impressive.
Please explain how tearing obliterating everything on the surface of a planet is less impressive than merely obliterating all life on a planet.
I don't. Tearing off how much of the surface? The surface of a planet is an ambiguous description and who even knows how accurate or hyperbolic that is given that he's never actually done it. Like I said we saw the Force Storm "tearing the surface off" a planet and it was nothing special. If Sidious is just destroying buildings and maybe a meter or two of ground then thats hardly in Ziosts league.
Obliterating fleets is nothing compared to ravaging an entire planet. Ziost is likely a thousand times larger than any fleet Sidious destroyed, or more.
That.... really isn't how this works. I'm not assuming anything, I'm making a judgement based on the evidence. Saying that Vitiate's showings are more impressive that Sidious' isn't an assumption if he's demonstrated something in excess of what Sidious has.
Like I said, Sidious' attack is miniscule compared to Vitiate's. Sidious' Force Storm has never been shown to be anywhere near the scale of Ziost's destruction, so he can only be said to be capable of destroying a small part of a planet at any one point, whereas Vitiate's single technique obliterated Ziost. I don't see why I need to explain this to you again, my previous explanation was perfectly valid. If I can hoover up a carpet slowly with a small nozzle but you can hoover up the entire carpet in one go with a massive hoover... thing then your hoover is better.
Originally posted by Sinious
I've never denied DE Sidious' superiority over Vitiate as a combatant even when I first joined the forums and sincerely believed that Vitiate might have surpassed him in the force(which I don't anymore).
Originally posted by Sinious
Most of these are not combat applicable.
7 - 11 are all combat-applicable feats.
Others are general demonstrations of Vitiate's power.
Originally posted by Sinious
Obviously, most powerful force user ever applies to the history of the republic and Sidious has better hype compared to the other accolades you've listed.
Originally posted by Sinious
Nah.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I meant that I can't imagine them beating the monoliths without the Force.
Story-wise, Ziost is done and dusted.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If Sidious have superiors showings, then mention them.
Blitzing the B-Team.
Utterly toying with Savage and Maul.
Stalemating Yoda.
Lightning so powerful it overwhelmed Yoda himself and easily took out TFU I Starkiller who's power in the force is immense.
These were only his famous onscreen feats. I can go on with more feats like:
Creates force storms that can destroy fleets.
Can turn force users and sithspawns into ash.
Has very good TP and mind reading.
Has such a mastery over lightning that even when he applies it areally, he can keep the targets he chooses from getting hurt etc.
See these are all purely combat applicable showings unlike most of the stuff you've listed.
Nonsense.7 - 11 are all combat-applicable feats.
Others are general demonstrations of Vitiate's power.
No, only 8 is.
Some of Sidious's accolades have been overruled by introduction of Son and Abeloth to the mythos. I don't see you arguing about Sidious's superiority over these two.
How could they be overruled by a lesser authority?
Cause it is G-Canon that says so. Besides, their depiction and showings make it obvious tbh.
Before this gets too far, I want to go ahead and preempt the "ambiguous language" bullshit. Neph, this is supposed to be a fun, honest discussion. You complain all the time about the trolling and mockery that spawns in threads. All comments like that are going to do is incite a perpetual pissing contest involving every quote ever uttered by both characters. Tearing the surfaces off worlds is pretty clear and doesn't require exact digits.
In the spirit of honesty, take that shit elsewhere. If you can't respect that, please don't post.
Originally posted by Sinious
Blitzing the B-Team.
Originally posted by Sinious
Utterly toying with Savage and Maul.
Also, Darth Sidious knocked out Savage Opress first and then proceeded to dominate Darth Maul. Essentially, one at a time.
In comparison, watch this:
Emperor Vitiate overwhelmed some of the most powerful Jedi of the Order (simultaneously), with his Force powers. In short, Vitiate doesn't even needs a lightsaber to defeat powerful opponents.
Originally posted by Sinious
Stalemating Yoda.
Originally posted by Sinious
Lightning so powerful it overwhelmed Yoda himself and easily took out TFU I Starkiller who's power in the force is immense.
Vitiate overwhelmed Revan with his Force Lightning Storm, a Jedi Master who had earlier successfully deflected Darth Nyriss's Force Lightning Storm that was capable of destroying powerful Force-users such as Lord Scourge and Meetra Surik.
Originally posted by Sinious
These were only his famous onscreen feats. I can go on with more feats like:Creates force storms that can destroy fleets.
And yet:
"The Dread Masters changed Oricon. Even their combined power is insignificant compared to the Emperor."
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Shadow of Revan
Originally posted by Sinious
Can turn force users and sithspawns into ash.
I am confident that even Darth Nyriss can match these feats, should she try.
Originally posted by Sinious
Has very good TP and mind reading.
In-fact, Vitiate have superior showings in the matters of telepathic subjugation.
Originally posted by Sinious
Has such a mastery over lightning that even when he applies it areally, he can keep the targets he chooses from getting hurt etc.
Well, Vitiate 'controlled' Nathema ritual related developments.
Originally posted by Sinious
See these are all purely combat applicable showings unlike most of the stuff you've listed.
Originally posted by Sinious
No, only 8 is.
From (7 - 11) combat-applicable showings, only 7th is off-screen event. The rest are on-screen events.
Originally posted by Sinious
How could they be overruled by a lesser authority?
Originally posted by Sinious
Cause it is G-Canon that says so. Besides, their depiction and showings make it obvious tbh.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Its a lightsaber combat feat.No, it is a proper fight.
Also, Darth Sidious knocked out Savage Opress first and then proceeded to dominate Darth Maul. Essentially, one at a time.
In comparison, watch this:
Emperor Vitiate overwhelmed some of the most powerful Jedi of the Order (simultaneously), with his Force powers. Vitiate doesn't even needs a lightsaber to defeat powerful opponents.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDStarkiller wasn't overwhelmed by Sidious's Force Lightning. Yoda was showing signs of aging.
To clarify, he didn't say Sidious overwhelmed Starkiller, he said that he destroyed him with it. Which in the LS ending he obviously died and the DS ending he just got wrecked.
Either way Sidious killed/dominated Galen who was a powerful Force User.
That was a cool .gif, Zen.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I did.If that is an argument that Asajj Ventress once choked both Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi simultaneously.
Choking action doesn't necessarily translates to victory or superiority.
Blah blah "ground realities" blah blah. There's the thread for Sidious's fight with the Zabraks. The evidence says it wasn't a fight, but a merciless stomp. If you want to argue that, do it there.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
To clarify, he didn't say Sidious overwhelmed Starkiller, he said that he destroyed him with it. Which in the LS ending he obviously died and the DS ending he just got wrecked.Either way Sidious killed/dominated Galen who was a powerful Force User.
In the official version of the encounter, Starkiller willingly became one with the Force, in an attempt to protect his allies from death alongside confronting Darth Sidious.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Well, this is not official version of the encounter. It doesn't holds water.In the official version of the encounter, Starkiller willingly became one with the Force.
No one's claiming that the dark side ending is "the official version." The dark side ending merely reflects the outcome of a different decision on the part of the player. No reason why characters' abilities would fluctuate.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Well, this is not official version of the encounter. It doesn't holds water.In the official version of the encounter, Starkiller willingly became one with the Force, in an attempt to protect his allies from death alongside confronting Darth Sidious.
Right but what I'm saying is, either way you look at it. Galen died from Force Lighting or got wrecked with Force Lighting.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Right but what I'm saying is, either way you look at it. Galen died from Force Lighting or got wrecked with Force Lighting.
Sidious was trying to convert Starkiller in the light side ending, pulling the same stunt he later tries with Luke in Episode VI. The dark side ending depicts what happens when he's out for blood.