Originally posted by The_Tempest
Blah blah "ground realities" blah blah. There's the thread for Sidious's fight with the Zabraks. The evidence says it wasn't a fight, but a merciless stomp. If you want to argue that, do it there.
All it proves is that Sidious comfortably defeated the Zabrak brothers. Even in this, he knocked out Savage Opress first and then dealt with Maul afterwards.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Thanks for the share.All it proves is that Sidious comfortably defeated the Zabrak brothers. Even in this, he knocked out Savage Opress first and then dealt with Maul afterwards.
Yup. No one denies he knocked Maul out and dealt with Opress separately. What's being denied is the claim that he needed to.
Sidious had those two pinned against the wall despite their best efforts to escaped and willingly released them. At no point was he out for the quick kill. He was courting combat.
Anything else to say on the subject needs to go to that thread, Leg. Let's not bog this thread down in tangents.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Right but what I'm saying is, either way you look at it. Galen died from Force Lighting or got wrecked with Force Lighting.
After that scene, Sidious gripped the starship of Starkiller's allies and threw it on the Starkiller. The latter still survived but was crippled and had to undergo Vader's treatment.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yup. No one denies he knocked Maul out and dealt with Opress separately. What's being denied is the claim that he needed to.Sidious had those two pinned against the wall despite their best efforts to escaped and willingly released them. At no point was he out for the quick kill. He was courting combat.
Anything else to say on the subject needs to go to that thread, Leg. Let's not bog this thread down in tangents.
Some are of the opinion that Sidious outright stomped Savage and Maul. I disagree with this notion. I consider stomp as another way to say "one-shot."
Originally posted by The_Tempest
No one's claiming that the dark side ending is "the official version." The dark side ending merely reflects the outcome of a different decision on the part of the player. No reason why characters' abilities would fluctuate.
Without hesitation, he stepped between Kota and the Emperor, taking the full brunt of the Sith lightning into his own body.
The pain was incredible, searing every nerve back to its individual cells, skewering each of them on white-hot needles. He had never before felt anything like this. He wanted to recoil from the source, to curl into a ball and let unconsciousness take the pain away, but somehow he stayed standing, seeing the world through a crackling blue light, and even took a step toward the Emperor.
"Go!" he hissed at Kota. "Hurry!"
The general hesitated only for a moment. He, too, had seen a glimpse of the future, the apprentice remembered. He knew that it came down to a simple choice: him and the Rebels or the apprentice and darkness forever. Gathering up the Rebels, Kola ushered them toward the descending ship.
Another staggering, painful step and the Emperor was within the apprentice's reach. With shaking fingers, he took the old man's bony shoulders in his hands and gripped them tight. The Sith lightning spread to engulf the two of them, fueled by both their desperations. The Emperor tipped back his head and howled in lascivious pain. Darkness threatened to envelop the apprentice's mind, but he clutched to consciousness with feverish will. He had to see this through. He had to.
A squadron of stormtroopers ran into the room, led by a limping Darth Vader. They raised their blasters to gun down the Rebels as they fled up the Rogue Shadow's ramp.
"No!" the apprentice cried, dropping his defenses to strike one last time at the Imperials. Energy surged through him. He felt as though a star had blazed to life in his chest. Driven by concern for his friends rather than himself, he embraced the Force completely, utterly, and was rewarded with strength that made his efforts with the dark side look like those of a child. His nerves were on fire. Streamers of light radiated from his skin. His bones glowed like radiant lava.
He saw rather than felt the massive shock wave that consumed a large portion of what remained of the observation dome. A glowing bubble of fire tore the stormtroopers to shreds and engulfed Vader and the Emperor. Shrapnel filled the air like dust caught in the beam of the Death Star's powerful laser.
Tossed like a leaf, the Rogue Shadow fled in haste, ramp snapping shut on its precious cargo.
The apprentice felt himself leaving his body again. Or was his body leaving him this time? He felt ripped apart by the energy that had flowed through him. Every cell was in shock; every fiber shook. The fire on his face possessed no heat at all. His limbs felt as distant as the farthest arms of the galaxy. He was amazed there was enough left of him to think at all.
Weakened by the blast, the dome's supports gave way. It collapsed into the superlaser dish, triggering a series of conventional explosions. Stormtroopers converged on the site. Through the dense smoke, two figures were visible from the apprentice's rarefied perspective.
Darth Vader struggled to his feet from the rubble, even more damaged than before. He reached out for support and found only his Master, scowling.
Taken from Star Wars: The Force Unleashed: Novelization
You tell me?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Here:Without hesitation, he stepped between Kota and the Emperor, taking the full brunt of the Sith lightning into his own body.
The pain was incredible, searing every nerve back to its individual cells, skewering each of them on white-hot needles. He had never before felt anything like this. He wanted to recoil from the source, to curl into a ball and let unconsciousness take the pain away, but somehow he stayed standing, seeing the world through a crackling blue light, and even took a step toward the Emperor.
"Go!" he hissed at Kota. "Hurry!"
The general hesitated only for a moment. He, too, had seen a glimpse of the future, the apprentice remembered. He knew that it came down to a simple choice: him and the Rebels or the apprentice and darkness forever. Gathering up the Rebels, Kola ushered them toward the descending ship.
Another staggering, painful step and the Emperor was within the apprentice's reach. With shaking fingers, he took the old man's bony shoulders in his hands and gripped them tight. The Sith lightning spread to engulf the two of them, fueled by both their desperations. The Emperor tipped back his head and howled in lascivious pain. Darkness threatened to envelop the apprentice's mind, but he clutched to consciousness with feverish will. He had to see this through. He had to.
A squadron of stormtroopers ran into the room, led by a limping Darth Vader. They raised their blasters to gun down the Rebels as they fled up the Rogue Shadow's ramp.
"No!" the apprentice cried, dropping his defenses to strike one last time at the Imperials. Energy surged through him. He felt as though a star had blazed to life in his chest. Driven by concern for his friends rather than himself, he embraced the Force completely, utterly, and was rewarded with strength that made his efforts with the dark side look like those of a child. His nerves were on fire. Streamers of light radiated from his skin. His bones glowed like radiant lava.
He saw rather than felt the massive shock wave that consumed a large portion of what remained of the observation dome. A glowing bubble of fire tore the stormtroopers to shreds and engulfed Vader and the Emperor. Shrapnel filled the air like dust caught in the beam of the Death Star's powerful laser.
Tossed like a leaf, the Rogue Shadow fled in haste, ramp snapping shut on its precious cargo.
The apprentice felt himself leaving his body again. Or was his body leaving him this time? He felt ripped apart by the energy that had flowed through him. Every cell was in shock; every fiber shook. The fire on his face possessed no heat at all. His limbs felt as distant as the farthest arms of the galaxy. He was amazed there was enough left of him to think at all.
Weakened by the blast, the dome's supports gave way. It collapsed into the superlaser dish, triggering a series of conventional explosions. Stormtroopers converged on the site. Through the dense smoke, two figures were visible from the apprentice's rarefied perspective.
Darth Vader struggled to his feet from the rubble, even more damaged than before. He reached out for support and found only his Master, scowling.
Taken from [B]Star Wars: The Force Unleashed: Novelization
You tell me? [/B]
Which isn't what happened in the game or the graphic novel. In all three sources, the "official ending" is Sidious is trying to goad Marek to the dark side in an attempt to replace Vader with a potentially stronger apprentice. That's why in all three sources, Sidious is pissed when Marek dies, because not only is he still stuck with Vader, but the rebels now have a martyr.
The dark side ending depicts what happens when Vader is dead and Marek takes a swing at a Sidious who isn't screwing around. It's not the "official ending" in that it didn't actually happen, but Sidious didn't automatically get 2x more powerful for no reason.
In one version, he's playing possum, trying to lure Marek to the dark side. In the other version, he's pissed and beats Marek into submission.
Pretty straightforward.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, Starkiller didn't die from that attack.After that scene, Sidious gripped the starship of Starkiller's allies and threw it on the Starkiller. The latter still survived but was crippled and had to undergo Vader's treatment.
...I know, hence why I'm saying he got wrecked by Force Lighting in the DS ending, not that he was killed by it.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Which isn't what happened in the game or the graphic novel. In all three sources, the "official ending" is Sidious is trying to goad Marek to the dark side in an attempt to replace Vader with a potentially stronger apprentice. That's why in all three sources, Sidious is pissed when Marek dies, because not only is he still stuck with Vader, but the rebels now have a martyr.The dark side ending depicts what happens when Vader is dead and Marek takes a swing at a Sidious who isn't screwing around. It's not the "official ending" in that it didn't actually happen, but Sidious didn't automatically get 2x more powerful for no reason.
In one version, he's playing possum, trying to lure Marek to the dark side. In the other version, he's pissed and beats Marek into submission.
Pretty straightforward.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
For the sake of reaching a middle-ground, acknowledged that Sidious > Marek. Even this demonstration doesn't holds water to Vitiate's greatest combat-applicable showings.
You thought Sidious wasn't > Starkiller?
"Lightsabers clashed inside the Emperor's observation dome, but Starkiller was ultimately no match for the power of Darth Sidious." {The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia}
Sidious is definitely > Starkiller. The dark side ending just shows to the true extent.
^^^
Oh no, I never doubted Sidious's superiority over Starkiller. I regard official version of the confrontation as more realistic.
Coz, if we consider alternate endings as accurate portrayals of character's capabilities then Anakin Skywalker was strong enough to defeat and overthrow Darth Sidious and take his place as the Emperor in a game covering ROTS related events.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
^^^Oh no, I never doubted Sidious's superiority over Starkiller. I regard official version of the confrontation as more realistic.
Coz, if we consider alternate endings then Anakin Skywalker defeated and killed Darth Sidious in the game covering ROTS related events.
That's not true, Leg. The dark side ending has Anakin stabbing Sidious in the chest with a sneak attack.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
That's not true, Leg. The dark side ending has Anakin stabbing Sidious in the chest with a sneak attack.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Here:
That's just a Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy mod, Leg. It's there in the video's description.