Most powerful Sith? Spring 2015 ed.

Palps actually erased the minds of the people of Courscant not Byss, though on Byss he did dominate their minds too.

Could the Emperor's power through the dark side of the Force have been sufficient to compel thousands or millions of people to forget having seen the Lusankya being buried?

Source: X-Wing: Krytos Trap

She renamed the vessel Lusankya, and, with help from the Emperor’s mind-fogging powers, Imperial engineers buried the tremendous battleship beneath the cityscape in Coruscant’s Manarai Mountain district.

Source: The New Essential Guide to Characters

The Byss feat is this one

Almost mindless under the oppression of the Emperor's dark side influence, the people of Byss find their life energies constantly leeched off during the Emperor's vile machinations.

Source: The Dark Empire Endnotes

Originally posted by The_Tempest
The meaning is pretty clear: Force storms can tear the surfaces off worlds. Trying to determine (irrelevant) specifics from the statement is pointless and impossible. Could refer to something as random as depth of 12 feet or the entire planetary crust or anything in between.

I don't see how fruitful or productive the conversation will be when nothing can be ascertained with mathematical exactitude.

On the flip side, I see a potential to derail the conversation into nitpicking and dishonesty on both sides. Neph will disregard the quote entirely on the grounds that specifics aren't given, which will open the door for his opponents to put every single quote about Vitiate under scrutiny on the same grounds, which in turn will cause the pro-Vitiate faction to do the same and wham! you have total impasse and the discussion dies.

I suppose then are time would be better spent discussing just how large a Force storm Darth Sidious is capable of creating.

That said, I feel the destructive power of the Force storm, combined with Sidious' evidently planetary reach on Byss, is evidence enough he could unleash a wave of destructive energy on this scale over an entire planet.

Enough damage to "kill" them, certainly. Beyond that, we don't know specifics.

It's always great when Nihilus consuming a planet is just circumstance, but Vitiate doing it makes him the most powerful being in existence.

Originally posted by psmith81992
That nobody takes your "argument" seriously because it's not a legitimate debating tactic. You're just wasting space..

Originally posted by The_Tempest
The meaning is pretty clear: Force storms can tear the surfaces off worlds. Trying to determine (irrelevant) specifics from the statement is pointless and impossible. Could refer to something as random as depth of 12 feet or the entire planetary crust or anything in between.

I don't see how fruitful or productive the conversation will be when nothing can be ascertained with mathematical exactitude.

On the flip side, I see a potential to derail the conversation into nitpicking and dishonesty on both sides. Neph will disregard the quote entirely on the grounds that specifics aren't given, which will open the door for his opponents to put every single quote about Vitiate under scrutiny on the same grounds, which in turn will cause the pro-Vitiate faction to do the same and wham! you have total impasse and the discussion dies.

A) That was exactly my point and

B) I dismissed nothing, I openly admitted he could but that the lack of evidence made it impossible to claim that statement makes Sidious > Vitiate. The Force Storm is still a very powerful ability.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Exactly, so Vitiate was attacking them, and thus wasn't a victim himself. 👆

Meetra was no expert on dark side sorcery, but it was safe to assume Vitiate not only survived the ritual, but emerged more powerful than ever.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He's often linked with Byss, yeah.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
So 1/10th of what you were attempting to pass off. 👆

Now, provide evidence of a matching feat from Darth Sidious.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
A demonstration that we didn't see.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I daresay the Dark Side of the Force is a more convenient and powerful killing weapon than a laser sword.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Thx.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Temp's probably the one to ask about that, but I think there is mention of it in either the Dark Side Sourcebook or the Dark Empire Sourcebook.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
What I was referencing is the fact that the humans seemed to vanish, while the rest of the life on Ziost just died normally as if they were different. Pretty shitty visual choices on BioWare's part, really.

Sidious' lightsaber prowess is canonically just as great as his Force powers.

"Just as skilled with a lightsaber as his destructive mastery of the Force; Sidious is skilled enough to defeat almost any Jedi who opposes him.
--Star Wars: Force Collection

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This doesn't means that Emperor Vitiate was not in danger:

Meetra was no expert on dark side sorcery, but it was safe to assume Vitiate not only survived the ritual, but emerged more powerful than ever.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan

Cool, though it's not overwhelmingly relevant.

Using maths in these matters is silly.

It's hardly silly to point out that you were trying to pass his feat off as literally ten times greater than it was.

Now, provide evidence of a matching feat from Darth Sidious.

Sidious operates in different ways than Vitiate, so he doesn't have a feat to match up perfectly... The closest example is probably his Battle Meditation, which is also arguably done on a galactic scale.

Doesn't matters. Vitiate's tremendous power is amply demonstrated on Ziost.

Indeed it was. He was able to recreate Nathema without the aid of other Sith, like Revan implied he could.

It should be, but why Sidious commonly utilized a Lightsaber in his confrontations? Was he not confident in his dark side abilities?

It was mentioned in Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader that Sidious never needed to utilize a lightsaber in his confrontations, but did so to mock the Jedi by beating them in their own games.

Member Zenwolf provided information. Admittedly, it is very impressive showing from Sidious. However, Vitiate's demonstrations on Ziost are comparatively superior.

I think your case could be argued, indeed.

It's a demonstration of Sorcery

And I agree that Vitiate is unarguably the greatest Sorcerer in the mythos. 👆

Originally posted by NewGuy01

Sidious never needed to utilize a lightsaber in his confrontations, but did so to mock the Jedi by beating them in their own games.

Was about to post this 👆

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Cool, though it's not overwhelmingly relevant.

It's hardly silly to point out that you were trying to pass his feat off as literally ten times greater than it was.

Sidious operates in different ways than Vitiate, so he doesn't have a feat to match up perfectly... The closest example is probably his Battle Meditation, which is also arguably done on a galactic scale.

Indeed it was. He was able to recreate Nathema without the aid of other Sith, like Revan implied he could.

It was mentioned in Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader that Sidious never needed to utilize a lightsaber in his confrontations, but did so to mock the Jedi by beating them in their own games.

I think your case could be argued, indeed.

And I agree that Vitiate is unarguably the greatest Sorcerer in the mythos. 👆

Originally posted by NewGuy01
And I agree that Vitiate is unarguably the greatest Sorcerer in the mythos. 👆

I like this thread, Temp. Well done.

Let's all keep it alive, shall we?

Anyways who would be the third strongest Sith? Most people already have 1 and 2 with Vitiate and Palpy in their respective slots.

Krayt or Caedus.

Vitiate has definitely reached DE Sidious levels in spirit form, I don't think any objectively minded person can say otherwise in the face of Ziost.

Sorry for being so uninformed but can anyone give me a break down on what has been happening with Vitiate? Is his spirit form stronger then his phyiscal form or are we still having hype with Vitiate's physical form being stronger? Also did he absorb Ziost at a whim?

His spirit is inferior to his physical form according to SOR.

This happened:

http://youtu.be/2ovjnTCk_vs

Yes I am aware of what happened on Ziost, but I wanna know if he did it with prep or not.