Originally posted by psmith81992Again I was just providing the quote Tempest was referring to, the Book of Anger states Sidious has learned the Force storm technique:
Yea that's not a force storm. That's essence transfer traveling at very fast speeds.
With this knowledge, I can unleash the dark side energies that swirl invisibly around us, even to shatter the fabric of space itself. In this way, I have created storms.
So again, Sidious learned this technique pre-DE.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Before this gets too far, I want to go ahead and preempt the "ambiguous language" bullshit. Neph, this is supposed to be a fun, honest discussion. You complain all the time about the trolling and mockery that spawns in threads. All comments like that are going to do is incite a perpetual pissing contest involving every quote ever uttered by both characters. Tearing the surfaces off worlds is pretty clear and doesn't require exact digits.In the spirit of honesty, take that shit elsewhere. If you can't respect that, please don't post.
Neph, if you can't drop it, we might as well close this thread and go resume regular business where both sides nitpick and piss and moan about the constant nitpicking and the trolling and mockery that ensues. You wanted honest debate, I'm providing the platform. 👍
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes but they didn't TK it apart, they just used mind domination to cause them to loose control. Anyway, its not really relevant.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
1. The Book of Anger was written prior to the events of Dark Empire, where he claimed to have mastered the technique.Furthermore, Sidious also says:
It may take decades to master this art, but once I have perfected it, I will be invincible.
--The Book of Sith
The implication being that Sidious already had the necessary strength to master this power, he merely needed time to practice. If he were not strong enough, he would not be confident that he could perfect this ability.
So no, the implication is it was within Sidious power, to achieve this ability in its entirety, including its ability to kill worlds.
So how does it feels to be on the receiving end now? huh?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
2. I don't deny that, I'm questioning your solid proof that Sidious couldn't replicate it.Not never managed, never required, Sidious never aimed nor tried to destroy an entire planet with the Force, but that doesn't mean he was incapable of doing so.
Top showings of Sidious's Force Storm (Wormhole) power fall much short of ravaging entire planets in scale. Your argument is Sidious's intent, but why would a Sith Lord hold back from mass destruction with the potential to achieve it?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Take into account authorial intentions, that opinion was provided to prove a point, that a Force storm has the power to kill worlds, and that power was held by Darth Sidious, if the authors wanted us to doubt this, they would have given us reason to.
A planet is a much larger object.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
In terms of Darth Rivan:
[list=1][*]He had no intention of killing a planet, it is clear that the Force storm can take many forms, varying in size and purpose.[*]Darth Rivan ended up meeting his death as a result of this, it is obvious he was dabbling in powers he had no mastery over.
[*]It is unlikely the power Rivan gathered in the Darkstaff was equal to that of Sidious' own power.[/list=1]
2. Because his powers were sapped and he was slain in the battle of Ruusan by virtue of being defenseless.
3. Darkstaff conjured a Force Storm (Wormhole) of such intensity that it teleported Rivan to future.
BTW I just wanted to say that I read through Ant's Dread Master's respect thread recently and they really are bonkers powerful. Anyone saying that Vader or someone can solo them is a ****ing lunatic, those guys are insane. They can teleport, travel through time, revive the dead and do all sorts of crazy feats.
If Vitiate really is more powerful than them collectively he is by far the most powerful Sith.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He responded to me. And I said that I was dropping it.Also I don't recall saying I wanted an honest debate, lol. Not that I don't.
Ok, let's close the thread. Or better yet, you can just stay out of it and let everyone else who wants to discuss in an honest fashion do so unmolested.
Your cooperation in this respect would be appreciated.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Ok, let's close the thread. Or better yet, you can just stay out of it and let everyone else who wants to discuss in an honest fashion do so unmolested.Your cooperation in this respect would be appreciated.
If you actually payed attention instead of throwing a knee-jerk hissy fit you'd see that I actually conceded to most of Beni's points and instead stressed what we agreed was acceptable, that Sidious' hype was unsubstantiated in that he can tear the surfaces off worlds but the extent is unknown.
Originally posted by NephthysI don't think they could time travel, I think it was an illusion...
BTW I just wanted to say that I read through Ant's Dread Master's respect thread recently and they really are bonkers powerful. Anyone saying that Vader or someone can solo them is a ****ing lunatic, those guys are insane. They can teleport, travel through time, revive the dead and do all sorts of crazy feats.If Vitiate really is more powerful than them collectively he is by far the most powerful Sith.
Originally posted by psmith81992😬 Pre-DE is ROTJ lol.
You specifically said ROTJ. Since you can't prove that, move on.
The Book of Anger, one of three volumes of a compendium called Absolute Power was written at the beginning of Darth Sidious reign as Galactic Empire, and prior to his first death aboard the Death Star:
The following three books - The Weakness of Inferiors, The Book of Anger, and The Manipulation of Life - present how I have achieved absolute power, how I shall maintain it through the agency of my Galactic Empire, and how I will reshape the galaxy throughout the ages to come.
So I think I'll stay, thanks.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
That would be because it was him performing the ritual on said Sith Lords.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Not really special for these high tiers, tbh.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Not really special for these high tiers, tbh.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Quote for thousands, tbh?
By the time of the Great War, hundreds of the Emperor's Children were embedded within the Republic. Devoted Jedi, loyal soldiers, and influential politicians all unknowingly served as the Emperor's spies and, when the Emperor willed I, acted to tear down the Republic they held so dear.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
Still, a fantastic feat.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Quote for thousands, tbh?
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Under unknown circumstances.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
So did RotS Sidious
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Proof that he posessed them all at once? The DLC didn't give me that impression at all, tbh, which is probably why you felt the need to italicize "all". Besides, Sidious reportedly mindwiped Byss as well, so I don't see the importance of this tbh.
The Emperor escaped destruction on Yavin 4, and now his presence has been felt on the planet Ziost, once powerful throne world of the Sith Empire. You are called upon again to face this galactic menace when your allies realize that the entire planet's inhabitants have been mind-controlled.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Community News "Welcome to Game Update 3.2: Rise of the Emperor"
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As the Sith Emperor gradually dominates the free will of everyone on Ziost, both Lana Beniko, Minister of the newly formed Sith Intelligence, and Theron Shan, a spy for the Galactic Republic, are trying to stop the chaos.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor
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Sidious did not mindwipe the entire populace of Byss, at any point in history. You are wrong.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Except the plants apparently. 😬
Originally posted by The_TempestSorry I missed that, however I do believe we could discuss the meaning of the statement civilly... 😮
Neph, if you can't drop it, we might as well close this thread and go resume regular business where both sides nitpick and piss and moan about the constant nitpicking and the trolling and mockery that ensues. You wanted honest debate, I'm providing the platform. 👍
Vitiate utilized the nexus and used it against them.
Exactly, so Vitiate was attacking them, and thus wasn't a victim himself. 👆
Did Darth Sidious create one?
He's often linked with Byss, yeah.
Children numbered in hundreds, at minimum.
So 1/10th of what you were attempting to pass off. 👆
No, it is demonstration of Vitiate's power.
A demonstration that we didn't see.
Lightsaber makes killing convenient.
I daresay the Dark Side of the Force is a more convenient and powerful killing weapon than a laser sword.
Sure:
Thx.
Sidious did not mindwipe the entire populace of Byss, at any point in history. You are wrong.
Temp's probably the one to ask about that, but I think there is mention of it in either the Dark Side Sourcebook or the Dark Empire Sourcebook.
Vitiate's sorcery devastated the atmosphere of the planet, a development that would doom the plants as well.
What I was referencing is the fact that the humans seemed to vanish, while the rest of the life on Ziost just died normally as if they were different. Pretty shitty visual choices on BioWare's part, really.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Sorry I missed that, however I do believe we could discuss the meaning of the statement civilly... 😮
The meaning is pretty clear: Force storms can tear the surfaces off worlds. Trying to determine (irrelevant) specifics from the statement is pointless and impossible. Could refer to something as random as depth of 12 feet or the entire planetary crust or anything in between.
I don't see how fruitful or productive the conversation will be when nothing can be ascertained with mathematical exactitude.
On the flip side, I see a potential to derail the conversation into nitpicking and dishonesty on both sides. Neph will disregard the quote entirely on the grounds that specifics aren't given, which will open the door for his opponents to put every single quote about Vitiate under scrutiny on the same grounds, which in turn will cause the pro-Vitiate faction to do the same and wham! you have total impasse and the discussion dies.