(Rematch) The Hulk (MCU) VS Thor (MCU)

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
And what happens to things that can't be proven or disproven!? This is such a scenario. Such would be Spider Man's Homecoming's Spider sense. The movie never picture it, nor contradict it. So it is limbo just as Hulk's limitless anger.

BUT these movies are based on comics. So in such a scenario in where the movie fails to inform, there is nothing wrong in using Comic general information. I completely disagree with MVF rules in such aspect.

Now, i would completely agree on things like:

Hulk beat up Juggernaut in a comic so he beats up Thor.

or

Thor faced the Beyonders in Secret Wars so Hulk is a peace of cake.

I am bringing comic instances and feats, which should COMPLETELY BE BANNED.

But these are movies that based their characters on Comics, so using comic general information in instances where MOVIES FAIL to inform the users shouldn't be illegal. Such a thing just limits discussions.

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/books-comics/thor/240901/thor-ragnarok-and-its-importance-to-the-marvel-universe

See, even Thor Ragnarok was inspired on several comics.

If you disagree with the rules then just don't post here. We actually don't assume Spiderman in HC has spidersense. We also don't assume Cavill's Superman is weak against magic or that Bale's Batman knows over 100 different martial arts. We don't assume that Thor can do a godblast or can get into warrior madness.

Every argument here needs to be based on feats or at the very least some form of statment made inside a movie. Thus why it's called MOVIE versus forum.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If you disagree with the rules then just don't post here. We actually don't assume Spiderman in HC has spidersense. We also don't assume Cavill's Superman is weak against magic or that Bale's Batman knows over 100 different martial arts. We don't assume that Thor can do a godblast or can get into warrior madness.

Every argument here needs to be based on feats or at the very least some form of statment made inside a movie. Thus why it's called MOVIE versus forum.

What don't i agree to is to what the rules don't specify.

Exactly. You can't make an argument that Spiderman or Hulk don't have such abilities since the Movies never contradicted it.

Is in cases like this when you can see how unspecified the rules are in such an aspect.

This isn't a MOVIE VERSUS FORUM it is a WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE MOVIE VERSUS WHAT OTHERS THINK ABOUT THE MOVIE.

I think Hulk has unlimitted rage just like i think Spider Man has his Spider Sense. The movies haven't given me reasons to believe they don't . Nor is there evidence to contradict it.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If you disagree with the rules then just don't post here. We actually don't assume Spiderman in HC has spidersense. We also don't assume Cavill's Superman is weak against magic or that Bale's Batman knows over 100 different martial arts. We don't assume that Thor can do a godblast or can get into warrior madness.

Every argument here needs to be based on feats or at the very least some form of statment made inside a movie. Thus why it's called MOVIE versus forum.

But lets say you are right. I am now a person who hasn't read the comics.

It's evident that the Hulk was vulnerable when he wasn't angry.

So even without the comics, the Movies already hint at Hulk being weaker when not in an Angry mood.

I have shown you proofs of that. So it's a valid argument for me to assume that the Angrier the Hulk is the stronger he becomes.

So again, the MVF doesn't limit logic.

I have evidence that supports my idea therefore it's a valid argument.

That isn't how debates work here, if you want to claim that MCU Hulk has a certain ability, then you have to prove it using the MCU movies and only the MCU movies.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
But lets say you are right. I am now a person who hasn't read the comics.

It's evident that the Hulk was vulnerable when he wasn't angry.

So even without the comics, the Movies already hint at Hulk being weaker when not in an Angry mood.

I have shown you proofs of that. So it's a valid argument for me to assume that the Angrier the Hulk is the stronger he becomes.

So again, the MVF doesn't limit logic.

I have evidence that supports my idea therefore it's a valid argument.

No, you proved that Hulk is vulnerable when he's not paying attention and gets sucker punched. Same way that anybody is vulnerable in such a situation. It's also no secret that every single person on the planet gets a boost of energy when they get angry. That they're able to ignore pain and injuries when completely angry as compared to when they're calm. Hulk is no different. You don't need superpowers for this kind of thing.

What doesn't have any proof is that Hulk can increase his anger and strength without limit.

Originally posted by FrothByte
No, you proved that Hulk is vulnerable when he's not paying attention and gets sucker punched. Same way that anybody is vulnerable in such a situation. It's also no secret that every single person on the planet gets a boost of energy when they get angry. That they're able to ignore pain and injuries when completely angry as compared to when they're calm. Hulk is no different. You don't need superpowers for this kind of thing.

What doesn't have any proof is that Hulk can increase his anger and strength without limit.

Okay so we agree that the angrier the Hulk gets the Stronger he becomes then?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
What don't i agree to is to what the rules don't specify.

Exactly. You can't make an argument that Spiderman or Hulk don't have such abilities since the Movies never contradicted it.

Is in cases like this when you can see how unspecified the rules are in such an aspect.

This isn't a MOVIE VERSUS FORUM it is a WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE MOVIE VERSUS WHAT OTHERS THINK ABOUT THE MOVIE.

I think Hulk has unlimitted rage just like i think Spider Man has his Spider Sense. The movies haven't given me reasons to believe they don't . Nor is there evidence to contradict it.

Dude, you're wrong. Just admit it. You're not the one who made the rules, we're not the one of made the rules. You don't get to say "I can fly" and all of us suddenly need to believe you just because we can't prove otherwise. It is your responsibility to prove that you can.

So if you want to claim Hulk has unlimited strength and anger then it's your responsibility to prove it.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay so we agree that the angrier the Hulk gets the Stronger he becomes then?

Depends. Do you agree that the angrier Thor gets the stronger he becomes?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Depends. Do you agree that the angrier Thor gets the stronger he becomes?

Yes or no question.

Well he doesn't transform into a Green Beast when he gets angry so no. His powers aren't angered based.

Answer my question. Do you agree the angrier Hulk is the stronger he gets?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yes or no question.

Well he doesn't transform into a Green Beast when he gets angry so no. His powers aren't angered based.

Answer my question. Do you agree the angrier Hulk is the stronger he gets?

Hulk's transformation is anger-based but other than that, nothing indicates he can continuously increase it through anger.

So to answer your question, I believe Hulk gets a boost of strength through anger the same way Thor gets a boost of strength through anger same was Black Widow does and Tony Stark does and I do and you do and same way every normal human being does. Hope that's clear enough for you.

GREAT PEOPLE! WE HAVE FINALLY REACHED SOMEWHERE!!

With FrothByte agreeing with me that anger increases one's person's stamina and strength, it's EVIDENT that the Hulk's strength and stamina not only increases with his anger but is unlimitted!

Originally posted by FrothByte
Hulk's transformation is anger-based but other than that, nothing indicates he can continuously increase it through anger.

So to answer your question, I believe Hulk gets a boost of strength through anger the same way Thor gets a boost of strength through anger same was Black Widow does and Tony Stark does and I do and you do and same way every normal human being does. Hope that's clear enough for you.

Now Frothbyte, let me tell you how you just proved my case (And the comic's information).

You are right, Anger does increase one's stamina and strength.

I will always punch someone harder when am angry than when am happy (It's obvious).

And as you claim, Thor, BlackWidow, Tony Stark, all others also increase their strength and stamina when angry.

However here is where things change into my favor.

It doesn't matter how angry I am, or how angry Tony Stark, or Black Widow, or Thor are, none of them transform into the Hulk. None of them have the Super Soldier Sirum which was exposed to Gamma Radiation.

The Hulk is an emotional based character. He is the only Marvel Character who's emotion's trigger him.

While Tony is powered by his suits.
While Thor is power by magic and body.
While Superman is powered by the Sun.

Hulk is powered by anger. Without Banner being stressed or angry he wouldn't be able to become the Hulk.

Now are emotions quantifiable? Is there a limit for happiness? Or a limit for Anger? Or a limit for sadness? No. Simply it can't be measured.

So, in that aspect anger can't be limited.

Me, you, everyone has limitless anger.

Now, does that mean that if i get super angry I can punch through a wall, or lift up a tank? Absolutly not!!

So, with all that said.

1. Hulk is an triggered character. He turns his rage and emotions into a BEHEMOTH UNSTOPPABLE BEAST.

2. Emotions aren't quantifiable. They can't be measured. Therefore they don't have a limit.

3. If Hulk is triggered by Emotions, that means that the more stressed or angry he is, the more he is triggered.

So, you see FrothByte? You don't really need the comics to explain things.

Simple Logic.

That's a massive no limits fallacy.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
GREAT PEOPLE! WE HAVE FINALLY REACHED SOMEWHERE!!

[B]With FrothByte agreeing with me that anger increases one's person's stamina and strength, it's EVIDENT that the Hulk's strength and stamina not only increases with his anger but is unlimitted!

Now Frothbyte, let me tell you how you just proved my case (And the comic's information).

You are right, Anger does increase one's stamina and strength.

I will always punch someone harder when am angry than when am happy (It's obvious).

And as you claim, Thor, BlackWidow, Tony Stark, all others also increase their strength and stamina when angry.

However here is where things change into my favor.

It doesn't matter how angry I am, or how angry Tony Stark, or Black Widow, or Thor are, none of them transform into the Hulk. None of them have the Super Soldier Sirum which was exposed to Gamma Radiation.

The Hulk is an emotional based character. He is the only Marvel Character who's emotion's trigger him.

While Tony is powered by his suits.
While Thor is power by magic and body.
While Superman is powered by the Sun.

Hulk is powered by anger. Without Banner being stressed or angry he wouldn't be able to become the Hulk.

Now are emotions quantifiable? Is there a limit for happiness? Or a limit for Anger? Or a limit for sadness? No. Simply it can't be measured.

So, in that aspect anger can't be limited.

Me, you, everyone has limitless anger.

Now, does that mean that if i get super angry I can punch through a wall, or lift up a tank? Absolutly not!!

So, with all that said.

1. Hulk is an triggered character. He turns his rage and emotions into a BEHEMOTH UNSTOPPABLE BEAST.

2. Emotions aren't quantifiable. They can't be measured. Therefore they don't have a limit.

3. If Hulk is triggered by Emotions, that means that the more stressed or angry he is, the more he is triggered.

So, you see FrothByte? You don't really need the comics to explain things.

Simple Logic. [/B]

Sigh. What a way to completely misenterpret my statement. And you're wrong, anger is limited. There's no such thing as unlimited anger.

Anyway, I've had enough of this. I'm going to get a mod ruling to settle this once and for all.

Further evidence supporting my case:

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Hulk

Per the Link posted above:

Doctor Robert Bruce Banner is a renowned scientist in the fields of Biochemistry, Nuclear Physics, and Gamma Radiation. He is one of the scientists who tried to recreate the Super Soldier Serum which originated Captain America in World War II, but when an exposure to high levels of Gamma Radiation instead of Vita Radiation went awry, the mild-mannered scientist found himself plagued with a peculiar condition; when angered or provoked, he would transform into the huge rage-fueled and nearly mindless green-skinned monster known as Hulk.

It's clear none of us, not even Captain America has what Banner has.

Banner was exposed to the SSS with Gamma rays. Which bases his strength and stamina on rage. As stated above.

And as proved before by my person.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Sigh. What a way to completely misenterpret my statement. And you're wrong, anger is limited. There's no such thing as unlimited anger.

Anyway, I've had enough of this. I'm going to get a mod ruling to settle this once and for all.

Can you prove it?

Cause anger isn't a quantifiable thing. Isn't like you can count anger.

Now it's your turn to bring evidence big boy.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Sigh. What a way to completely misenterpret my statement. And you're wrong, anger is limited. There's no such thing as unlimited anger.

Anyway, I've had enough of this. I'm going to get a mod ruling to settle this once and for all.

I would appreciate if you could bring a moderator. I've been trying to contact them with such cases and none have answered me.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Can you prove it?

Cause anger isn't a quantifiable thing. Isn't like you can count anger.

Now it's your turn to bring evidence big boy.

Because once you get so angry that you black out, there's no way to keep going further. There's your hard limit. Common sense.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Because once you get so angry that you black out, there's no way to keep going further. There's your hard limit. Common sense.

That's right.

But the hulk doesn't suffer that. Since when he is the hulk his Stamina, Strength, and Endurance is fueled by anger.

So the angry he gets the stronger and more durable he gets. Which means he doesn't suffer black outs or any other issue. He just keeps getting angry.

As already proven.

If your cells were to regenerate and to be as hard as the Hulk, you wouldn't suffer such issues when getting angry.

common sense.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Further evidence supporting my case:

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Hulk

Per the Link posted above:

It's clear none of us, not even Captain America has what Banner has.

Banner was exposed to the SSS with Gamma rays. Which bases his strength and stamina on rage. As stated above.

And as proved before by my person.

Nothing in that statement supports movie Hulk having unlimited anger and thus strength.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
That's right.

But the hulk doesn't suffer that. Since when he is the hulk his Stamina, Strength, and Endurance is fueled by anger.

So the angry he gets the stronger and more durable he gets. Which means he doesn't suffer black outs or any other issue. He just keeps getting angry.

As already proven.

If your cells were to regenerate and to be as hard as the Hulk, you wouldn't suffer such issues when getting angry.

common sense.

Except you have no proof that anger increases Hulk's durability and endurance or that it removes his need to breathe.