Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Actually I have, and the movie changes nothing except reinforcing the fact that yes, Hulk would beat a weaponless Thor, in a hand to hand brawl when Thor's holding back but the moment Thor stops fighting Hulk on his terms and uses his full power, he'd win. And tbh, I don't know if Hulk can knock out Thor without outside circumstances, his durability is ridiculous (Hulk was given an ideal scenario to have a chance to knock out Thor and the Odinson wasn't even scratched). Throw that in with his far superior hand to hand skills, and Thor vs. Hulk in hand to hand is almost a stalemate imo. The strength edge being cancelled out by the skill edge.
Phuck tags if you haven't seen the movie you shouldn't be in this thread.
Superior skill can allow Thor to hang because he cannot go toe to toe with Hulk for long, that happened in Avengers and in the arena both times ended with Hulk dominating the fight before outside interference (jet and Odin/lightning). Only Thors lightning is an equaliser for Hulks strength once he gets angry, in the comics it's exactly the same. Outside interference gave Hulk the opening but Thor was still conscious before Hulk ko'd him and was clearly a bigger punch that has landed on Thor in any movie.
The only time Hulk had an advantage or was "winning" was during the ground and pound scene but that's because Hulk is relentless and murderous unlike Thor. After Thor hit Hulk with his own hammer, he was dazed af and still on the ground after Thor strolled over from across the arena. Reverse the mindset and imagine Thor immediately following up with a brutal beat down....Thor dominated 90% of the fight until the beat down. Even when he was dancing around the Hulk and said f*ck it, he told Hulk to stop because their friends and said he didn't want to hurt him.
It wasn't a boxing match, having the "advantage" against Hulk in the way Thor did he means little when he just gets angry, comes back and utterly overwhelms you. Only time Hulk looked genuinely hurt was the opening hammer shot and the first lightning blast. Likely because he wasn't expecting the attacks. If not for his innate powers saving him Hulk would've left Thor similar to Beta Ray Bill in Planet Hulk, he was completely defenceless once Hulk started beating on him. Hulk also showed he is significantly stronger than Thor by casually palming that hammer strike.
How was Thor more impressive in this movie than before? The only difference is that he no longer needs Mjolnir to channel his own inner power. If Thor had his hammer in that arena fight, Hulk would've been screeeeeewed
Lol which is a massive difference to someone like Thor, his innate abilities are where his true power lies, not in Mjolnir. Opening fight against Surtur and his hordes was the most creative I've seen Thor with the hammer, his fight against Hela hordes once free of Mjolnir was even more impressive imo and can clearly now use his powers in ways like never before.
Why? Because Thor did have the advantage in hand to hand against the Hulk with a hammer. Hulk was really feeling the hits but Mjolnir is smaller, far harder to defend against, and hits way harder, at least when charged. It's also impossible to separate from Thor.If Thor had Mjolnir, the only time Hulk had an advantage (Palming followed by ground and pound) wouldn't even had happened because he'd have lost use of his hand trying to catch Mjolnir. And Thor would be able to fly....spin up tornadoes, and constantly bombard Hulk from afar with throws.
To recap, Thor and Hulk hand to hand was competitive but the moment Thor got irritated and utilized his superior skills, he was dominating the fight, especially when he had Hulk's weapon. Hulk being the stronger opponent, was able to get Thor down and got the advantage. Said advantage wouldn't have been possible to get if Thor had Mjolnir....which is why your opinion, that Thor wouldn't fair better with Mjolnir or something is utter nonsense.
Complete and utter speculation (and probably wishful thinking) on your part. You talk as if Thor is invincible with Mjolnir, Kurse took away Thor's hammer, Hulk beat Thor down in Avengers 1 which separated him from it, Ultron made Thor drop his hammer etc. You may not be able to wrestle it from his grip but beating the shit out of Thor helps.
I said it's speculation to assume Thor is weaker without Mjolnir (which is what you claimed) when the premise of the film was pretty much the opposite of that. Without losing Mjolnir, Thor might not have ever discovered he is the "god of thunder" not the "god of hammers" so all these "if Thor had Mjolnir" points are moot, this is a different Thor. Let's also not ignore this was Thors OWN MOVIE, if Captain America can phucking stalemate Tony in his own movie Thor can have a good showing against Hulk in his.
It's MJOLNIR. Indestructible, can fly autonomously, impossible to lift, and hits harder than anything Hulk has ever been hit with. Thor could drop it on Hulk's foot and Banner would be screwed right there in a fight.
It's not indestructible, Hela broke it like glass. Seemingly with pure strength too.