Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Except he wasnt punching an static object. He punched a 100+ton beast that was moving in an opposite direction and manage to completely stop him. That means Hulk is strong enough to handle such weights. A feat Thor is no close to replicate. Thatd my point.Lol. I love to see how you think you have made a point. You keep forgetting a strike from a hammer isnt considered physical strength.
Give Hulk Mjolnir and he K.Os Thor in one strike.
My credibility is intact.
Lol. Hulk got strike, doesnt mean he was going down. You are assuming that.
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Youd do good to remember that it was one punch from the Hulk which K.O. him
No, Hulk actually wasn't able to completely stop the leviathan. So that's incorrect.
In the end, why are you even using the Leviathan punch? You can't gauge how much stronger Hulk is over Thor with that feat simply because Thor has got nothing to do with that feat.
There is already a feat that shows a direct comparison between Hulk's and Thor's strength which is when Thor caught Hulk's blow. Only a complete idiot would turn a blind eye to a feat that already shows a direct comparison in favor of a feat that is irrelevant to the comparison at hand.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Question for those who have seen the movie...
Spoilers obviously!Was the axe head Hulk threw at Thor once back in his room from the same weapon Hulk used in the arena? Thor said it would've killed him. He has insane durability and damage soak but weirdly very vulnerable to cutting weapons.
No, Hulk threw a shield, in the arena he threw in an axe. I don't think you should take that as much more than a joke. Thor's cutting durability is pretty uber. Kurse's fist were spiked, but he only scratched Thor slightly from that ground and pound. He took multiple stabs from Hela when she one-shot pretty much all Asgardians. The only time she really hurt him was when she went for
Spoiler:
his eye.
Originally posted by The SorrowPhuck tags if you haven't seen the movie you shouldn't be in this thread.
Superior skill can allow Thor to hang because he cannot go toe to toe with Hulk for long, that happened in Avengers and in the arena both times ended with Hulk dominating the fight before outside interference (jet and Odin/lightning). Only Thors lightning is an equaliser for Hulks strength once he gets angry, in the comics it's exactly the same. Outside interference gave Hulk the opening but Thor was still conscious before Hulk ko'd him and was clearly a bigger punch that has landed on Thor in any movie.
Yes he can and he has, twice. Thor's far superior skill is an equalizer to Hulk's strength. This is hilarious, it's not as if Thor wasn't holding back 90% of the fight and was still having Hulk eat dirt and totally dominating every time he decided to fight back.
It wasn't a boxing match, having the "advantage" against Hulk in the way Thor did he means little when he just gets angry, comes back and utterly overwhelms you. Only time Hulk looked genuinely hurt was the opening hammer shot and the first lightning blast. Likely because he wasn't expecting the attacks. If not for his innate powers saving him Hulk would've left Thor similar to Beta Ray Bill in Planet Hulk, he was completely defenceless once Hulk started beating on him. Hulk also showed he is significantly stronger than Thor by casually palming that hammer strike.
Yes it does because if Thor was serious, he'd have bashed Hulk's head in after the first opening hit.
Lol which is a massive difference to someone like Thor, his innate abilities are where his true power lies, not in Mjolnir. Opening fight against Surtur and his hordes was the most creative I've seen Thor with the hammer, his fight against Hela hordes once free of Mjolnir was even more impressive imo and can clearly now use his powers in ways like never before.Complete and utter speculation (and probably wishful thinking) on your part. You talk as if Thor is invincible with Mjolnir, Kurse took away Thor's hammer, Hulk beat Thor down in Avengers 1 which separated him from it, Ultron made Thor drop his hammer etc. You may not be able to wrestle it from his grip but beating the shit out of Thor helps.
Lol what? Thor with Mjolnir is all but invincible. Kurse was the physically strongest Marvel character that isn't a Skyfather who could actually knock it away. As far as Hulk is concerned, he can't separate Thor if he didn't want to. Thor dropped his hammer when he fell but the only reason he didn't call it back to swing is because he set up Vision.
Your examples are Kurse who's so damn strong he brushed off Thor's punches and Ultron who Thor set up.
In an open arena fight, where Thor can actually summon the hammer without tearing through a ship or wants to put Hulk down? It's in his hand. Instead of letting the Hulk hold the hammer while he tries to choke him out (Again to avoid hurting him), Thor immediately recalls the hammer and continues to bash Hulk with it.
I said it's speculation to assume Thor is weaker without Mjolnir (which is what you claimed) when the premise of the film was pretty much the opposite of that. Without losing Mjolnir, Thor might not have ever discovered he is the "god of thunder" not the "god of hammers" so all these "if Thor had Mjolnir" points are moot, this is a different Thor. Let's also not ignore this was Thors OWN MOVIE, if Captain America can phucking stalemate Tony in his own movie Thor can have a good showing against Hulk in his.
I think it's not by any logical examination. Being able to hit with an indestructible mallet that can be charged up to produce the greatest striking power in superhero movies is a huge bonus. Obviously post Ragnarok Thor is superior to pre but that's within his own development.
Let's put it this way, Thor with Mjolnir in a serious mood (Thor 1 for example) would still beat Ragnarok Thor.
It's not indestructible, Hela broke it like glass. Seemingly with pure strength too.
It was forged from the heart of a dying Star. As far as this thread is concerned or any other fight where the hammer would matter, its indestructible.
Originally posted by FrothByte
There is already a feat that shows a direct comparison between Hulk's and Thor's strength which is when Thor caught Hulk's blow. Only a complete idiot would turn a blind eye to a feat that already shows a direct comparison in favor of a feat that is irrelevant to the comparison at hand.
Another thing to also consider when Thor caught the punch is the huge size/mass difference between them, which would have been to Hulk's advantage in that instance.
Originally posted by FrothByte
No, Hulk actually wasn't able to completely stop the leviathan. So that's incorrect.In the end, why are you even using the Leviathan punch? You can't gauge how much stronger Hulk is over Thor with that feat simply because Thor has got nothing to do with that feat.
There is already a feat that shows a direct comparison between Hulk's and Thor's strength which is when Thor caught Hulk's blow. Only a complete idiot would turn a blind eye to a feat that already shows a direct comparison in favor of a feat that is irrelevant to the comparison at hand.
Lol! MY MISTAKE!!!!! Hulk moved a couple of meters backwards!!!! Doesnt really matter. He stopped the Leviathan with one arm. Thor could never replicate such.
When did Thor stop a blow similar to that one??????
If my memory doesnt fail me, the times Hulk hit Thor in Sakaar he was sent flying meters away!!!!
Hulks stronger but Thor's pretty goddamn strong too. He hit Hulk with that hammer HARD.
He even put Hulk on his knees with a single gut punch at one point. He also withstood a huge uppercut, a landing punch, than like a dozen non stop punches to the face and wasn't even bleeding. At one point the camera zooms in as the punches are turning Thor's head and he's not even reacting when seeing a vision. Obviously they'd hurt, but my point is that Thor's durability is definitely on par, and the strength difference is balanced by skill.
I think Hulk would have as much success knocking Thor out with his fists as Thor would Hulk. I.e not very much (Assuming no lighting punches as he clearly hit harder than even Hulk then). Hulk would obviously have more success knocking Thor around but I'd bet on Thor dominating Hulk in a fight when he wants to.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
https://youtu.be/udKE1ksKWDELol! MY MISTAKE!!!!! Hulk moved a couple of meters backwards!!!! Doesnt really matter. He stopped the Leviathan with one arm. Thor could never replicate such.
When did Thor stop a blow similar to that one??????
If my memory doesnt fail me, the times Hulk hit Thor in Sakaar he was sent flying meters away!!!!
Only, the Hulk didn't actually stop the Leviathan. Perhaps you need to watch the movie again and actually pay attention this time.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
https://youtu.be/udKE1ksKWDELol! MY MISTAKE!!!!! Hulk moved a couple of meters backwards!!!! Doesnt really matter. He stopped the Leviathan with one arm. Thor could never replicate such.
When did Thor stop a blow similar to that one??????
If my memory doesnt fail me, the times Hulk hit Thor in Sakaar he was sent flying meters away!!!!
1. Hulk didn't stop the leviathan. Why don't you go and watch your own vid.
2. You're the one who keeps on saying that Hulk gets stronger the angrier he gets. Well guess what, Thor blocked a punch from a raging Hulk whereas the Leviathan punch was done just after Banner transformed.
3. In fact, the punch Thor blocked was stronger than the leviathan punch. And you can't prove otherwise.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
AND AGAIN PEOPLE!!Who said Hulk was hitting Thor the way he hit that Leviathan!!???
Its like saying you are gonna fight your brothwr the same way you fight your enemies!
I wouldn’t hit my brother repeatedly in the face even when he’s down.
So clearly Gladiator Hulk did not see Thor as a brother Lol
^ It’s not letting me edit, hence the triple post:
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderLol. Hulk got strike, doesnt mean he was going down. You are assuming that.
Spoiler:
Youd do good to remember that it was one punch from the Hulk which K.O. him
It was jus 1 strike lol. So of course he would have gone down to multiple strikes. Lol
Hulk punched Thor repeatedly in the face and still couldn’t KO him. He needed GrandMasters help for that.
It’s over Hulk Fan(boy)s.
Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Hulk didn't stop the leviathan. Why don't you go and watch your own vid.2. You're the one who keeps on saying that Hulk gets stronger the angrier he gets. Well guess what, Thor blocked a punch from a raging Hulk whereas the Leviathan punch was done just after Banner transformed.
3. In fact, the punch Thor blocked was stronger than the leviathan punch. And you can't prove otherwise.
1.Lmao!! Are you serious!? That poor Leviathan even got his armored ruptured! Now he didnt stopped completly and immedietly! Who said i was being literal?
2. Again when did Thor block a direct hit from Hulk? Doesnt matter how anger you get at your brother you dont hit him as hard as youd do a foe.
3. Again, i doubt Hulk was intending to kill Thor.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I wouldn’t hit my brother repeatedly in the face even when he’s down.So clearly Gladiator Hulk did not see Thor as a brother Lol
Well now imagine how would have Hulk hit someone who is his enemy?
Hulk recognized Thor. Just as seen after the fight
I doubt Hulk was trying to kill Thor. They were just wrestling.
Okay, so in conclusion!:
1. Hand 2 Hand: Hulk is evidently stronger than Thor. Also he is more durable and has a faster regeneration. Hulk definetly beats Thor in a H2H.
2. Rematch (Thor has weapons): This is very hard to decide. I would personally consider it a tie! But it would all depend on how long is the battle.
If Thor is smart enough he could defeat Hulk as long as he does it quick. He has to prevent Hulk from getting angrier. Thor would have to go for a quick K.O.
On the other hand if Hulk is allowed to rage... Hulk would most surely win.
Concluding Thor has a chance of 6/10 of winning if he has weapons during the first minutes...Once Hulk manages to get angry enough, he would definetly win.
Its all a matter of how angry the Hulk is and how effective Thor is in defeating him before Hulk rages.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderWell now imagine how would have Hulk hit someone who is his enemy?
Hulk recognized Thor. Just as seen after the fight
I doubt Hulk was trying to kill Thor. They were just wrestling.
So this was holding back:
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/915323954188947458/pu/vid/638x360/ve0B0dvQXJGghBp3.mp4
Sure.
Be honest and tell me who held back in the fight more Thor or Hulk.
Like I said, be honest.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
[B]Okay, so in conclusion!:1. Hand 2 Hand: Hulk is evidently stronger than Thor. Also he is more durable and has a faster regeneration. Hulk definetly beats Thor in a H2H.
2. Rematch (Thor has weapons): This is very hard to decide. I would personally consider it a tie! But it would all depend on how long is the battle.
If Thor is smart enough he could defeat Hulk as long as he does it quick. He has to prevent Hulk from getting angrier. Thor would have to go for a quick K.O.
On the other hand if Hulk is allowed to rage... Hulk would most surely win.
Concluding Thor has a chance of 6/10 of winning if he has weapons during the first minutes...Once Hulk manages to get angry enough, he would definetly win.
Its all a matter of how angry the Hulk is and how effective Thor is in defeating him before Hulk rages. [/B]
I take it this is all in a fight where Hulk doesn't use Lightning.
Also where did you get that Hulk has faster regeneration than Thor?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I take it this is all in a fight where Hulk doesn't use Lightning.Also where did you get that Hulk has faster regeneration than Thor?
Due to the SSS and Gamma Radiation in his body.
Hulk has one of the fastest regeneration along with Wolverine and Deadpool. Its also boosted by his rage levels.
Am not saying Thor doesnt have Superfast regeneration. Am saying I wouldnt put it in par with Hulk's