(Rematch) The Hulk (MCU) VS Thor (MCU)

Started by quanchi11264 pages

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Your definition of powerhouse is wrong.

What you mean is Hulk is the "strongman" or the "physical beast" of the Avengers, whereas Thor is the powerhouse.

Of course Dr. Strange is more powerful than Spider-Man Lol.

No, I mean powerhouse.m I've said how I define it and Hulk is the clear cut poster boy for the definition.

Strange is more powerful than Spiderman but he isn't more durable so Strange isn't a powerhouse by my definition. He's capable of great power but he isn't very durable without his magical defenses.

Except Thor and Hulk both hit each other with their best blows simultaneously, and Thor came out on top.

Hence Thor is the clear powerhouse.[/B]

False. I'm going to see this a second time tonight. I also seem to recall Thor evading Hulk and using his speed throughout the fight. According to you that doesn't matter. When someone physically tosses you around like a ragdoll that's an example of someone showing superior physicality in true powerhouse fashion.


I wouldn't call that "Tanking". Tanking suggests he just stood there taking it all with hardly any effect on him.

When Hulk caught Thor's hammer blow, that was more akin to tanking.[/B]

Semantics. I never said he was immune to Thor's strength or power I said he'd definitely take it without losing or being ko'd.

LOL A cheap shot doesn't prove anything. I'd say Thor smashing Hulk to the

other side of the arena almost KO'ing him, was much more akin to ragdolling.[/B]

No, that's just Thor able to drive the Hulk back with his strength. We can see a weaker boxer ko a stronger one that doesn't make him the powerhouse. This isn't hard to grasp.

The first one almost KO'd Hulk.

Speed is also a part of physical power. Unless you're going to claim Flash or Quicksilver have no power, or that Captain America is physically superior to Quicksilver.[/B]

Almost isn't koing him. He was not ko'd so I don't care for almosts or maybes.

Thor needs greater speed to counter Hulk's clear superior strength. I didn't say they have no power but as I said the smaller, weaker guy needs to out shine the powerhouse through speed and skill. I've always said this because in a slugfest Thor would be destroyed.


You mean Thor tapped into his own power showing who the true powerhouse was.[/B]
You are arguing formidability not by my definition of powerhouse. Thor used his strengths and skill to try to defeat the Hulk and was unable to despite the lightning.


Wrong, Thor was beating him, and fully able to beat him which is why Hulk needed GM to help him. Thor only needed aid to tap His Own power. Hulk needed GM to stop Thor beating on him.[/B]
Thor didn't beat him so you are speculating. Hulk didn't task for help so quit inserting your opinion in here. It isn't a fact it's just your bias speaking again. Hulk withstood his own power which you predicted was not possible without his hammer demonstrating a true lack of understanding regarding his own innate power.


I never said he'd finish him in 1 or 2 shots 😂

Although I wouldn't completely rule it out looking at how he almost KO'd Hulk in one hammer shot. [/B]

Thor hit him a bunch of times prior to the lightning attacks. Thor has never ko'd the Hulk so gtfo with your almosts. In a UFC match they'd have called this so quickly after Hulk pounded on a defenseless Thor so it's clear both can come back after it looks badly for them.


By whose definition? Show me in the dictionary.

You argued Lightning wouldn't make a difference, because he didn't use it on Hulk in the Hellicarrier. You're back tracking now.

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I gave you my specific definition.

Lightning didn't decide the outcome. We see it used on the Hulk. Just as the hammer didn't best him it just hurt him. Hulk recovered and retaliated. Hulk has never been ko'd by Thor.

Yeah losing a fight is "Tanking" 😂 [/B]

He actually won the fight. It wasn't fairly but he gets the win. They fought for a while and Thor didn't ko him despite his advantages such as speed, skill, and lightning based attacks. Hulk was ready for more. GM cheated. Life isn't fair.

😂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
What a response.
Well we have already been over the specifics of the first avengers film in direct comparison between the two.

Hulk is like Khan, Snoke or any other Quan favorite.

He will never admit they will lose.

His new sig is all the proof anyone needs.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think this conversation has run its course no?

Also lol at Dr. Strange not being a powerhouse and strength being the only definition of power. You went full retard Quanchi.

I didn't say any of this. I said by my definition he isn't the poster boy since his durability is lacking. In terms of formidability but that's an entirely different subject than being a powerhouse. Pay attention to what I say from now on because you're being extremely childish right now because Thor wasn't able to beat the Hulk in his own film.

Originally posted by playa1258
Hulk is like Khan, Snoke or any other Quan favorite.

He will never admit they will lose.

His new sig is all the proof anyone needs.

They fought and he didn't lose. I said Hulk would come across as superior and be proven the powerhouse without a winner. I was proven undeniably correct.

Originally posted by playa1258
I guess only strength matters.

Quanchi logic.

I didn't say only strength matters but I did clearly define powerhouse. In terms of my definition Hulk is the clear answer. People trying to change the conversation because they are upset at reality is enjoyable.

Originally posted by FrothByte
SMH. People here don't seem to know what "tanking" and "powerhouse" mean.

Thor and Hulk cannot tank each other's blows, because they get hurt by them. "Tanking" implies being able to stand there and just take someone's blows. That is clearly not the case with both Thor and Hulk.

Thor is a powerhouse and Hulk is a physical powerhouse. Debate over.

I gave my definition of powerhouse in terms of this application. Tanking the definition has wildly different meanings so you're going with your unfazed def. I wasn't. It's that simple. By tanking I meant withstanding without being ko'd or killed.

By my definition between the two Hulk is clearly the powerhouse. This was already set in stone prior to this film.

Ex:Bullets a mere irritant to the Hulk whereas Thor clearly dodged.
Ex:Ragdolled Thor which is a clear cut example of physical superiority.
Ex:Thor might not survive a fall from extreme heights whereas Hulk survived.

Proven correct my ass. Thor was clearly winning the battle.

GM had to save Hulk's ass.

Your denying of the outcome is further proof that Thor is superior.

Originally posted by playa1258
Proven correct my ass. Thor was clearly winning the battle.

GM had to save Hulk's ass.

Your denying of the outcome is further proof that Thor is superior.

That doesn't have to do with who is the powerhouse that has to do with overall formidability between the two.

GM didn't have to but he chose to. There's a difference.

I am arguing based off the facts. Thor didn't win. Cry more about it. Actually Hulk won if you want to be technical. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
I gave my definition of powerhouse in terms of this application. Tanking the definition has wildly different meanings so you're going with your unfazed def. I wasn't. It's that simple. By tanking I meant withstanding without being ko'd or killed.

By my definition between the two Hulk is clearly the powerhouse. This was already set in stone prior to this film.

Ex:Bullets a mere irritant to the Hulk whereas Thor clearly dodged.
Ex:Ragdolled Thor which is a clear cut example of physical superiority.
Ex:Thor might not survive a fall from extreme heights whereas Hulk survived.

Quan, you don't make up a definition of a word and then expect other people to just start using it. You use the dictionary definition of the word or at the very least the most common definition.

Bottom line is, both Thor and Hulk are powerhouses. Hulk is a physical powerhouse while Thor is a more overall powerhouse.

Thor and Hulk can NOT tank each other's blows. They get hurt with each other's blows... that's not tanking. Simply not getting knocked out is not tanking. You don't get to invent definitions.

As for your examples:

Ragdolling someone is easy when 1. You're vastly heavier than you're opponent and 2. You do it via cheapshot. Had Thor been actually fighting Hulk at the moment Hulk ragdolled him then you can claim physical superiority.

In any case, nobody is claiming that Thor is physically superior to Hulk. What people are claiming is that he's overall more superior to Hulk.

As for the falling example, Thor fell hundreds of feet and landed on Sakaar then promptly got back up. Hulk fell hundreds of feet and got knocked out.

No, you are arguing off fanboy bias as usual.

You must have watched Hulk:WidowRok

Originally posted by FrothByte
Quan, you don't make up a definition of a word and then expect other people to just start using it. You use the dictionary definition of the word or at the very least the most common definition.

Bottom line is, both Thor and Hulk are powerhouses. Hulk is a physical powerhouse while Thor is a more overall powerhouse.

Thor and Hulk can NOT tank each other's blows. They get hurt with each other's blows... that's not tanking. Simply not getting knocked out is not tanking. You don't get to invent definitions.

The definition is vague and can be interpreted many different ways. You aren't using the definition of tanking so I find your hypocrisy nauseating. Look it up, sport.

By my definition which I clearly defined Hulk is the answer. Do you agree or not ?

I just explained myself so I don't give one solid **** what you mean by tanking or not. Use the word unfazed since that's what you meant. I said I used the word as withstanding without losing the fight. Look up the definition you nitwit.

I used specific words to articulate other than tanking it. I meant withstands the attacks not unfazed by attacks which is what you meant. Then you restate yourself in true pouty fashion.

Now move on and explain what exactly you disagree with by my specific definition of powerhouse which applies to comic book movie characters.

Originally posted by playa1258
No, you are arguing off fanboy bias as usual.

You must have watched Hulk:WidowRok

What have I said that is incorrect ?

Originally posted by quanchi112

I gave you my specific definition.

So you're using your own personal definitions in a desperate attempt to make Hulk look better Thor.

Oh what the Hulk fan(boy)s have been reduced to post Ragnarok.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So you're using your own personal definitions in a desperate attempt to make Hulk look better Thor.

Oh what the Hulk fan(boy)s have been reduced to post Ragnarok.

The definition is vague and can be interpreted in a variety of ways. I am using specificity to debate. Communication is necessary in a debate so I am doing a wonderful job since I am being as specific as I can.

Everything I predicted came to pass while you doubted Thor without the hammer. That's sad and you're supposed to be a Thor fan.

Fact: Thor was handling Hulk just fine, he even checked on him " Suns getting a little low."

Fact:Hulk pounded Thor into the ground. Thor tanked it.

Fact:Thor clearly rocked Hulk went he went Super Saiyan.

Fact:GM was clearly worried and pulled a David Stern for Hulk.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The definition is vague and can be interpreted in a variety of ways. I am using specificity to debate. Communication is necessary in a debate so I am doing a wonderful job since I am being as specific as I can.

Everything I predicted came to pass while you doubted Thor without the hammer. That's sad and you're supposed to be a Thor fan.

Do you agree using the noemail English definition that Hulk is the Physical Beast or “Powerhouse” of the Avengers whereas Thor is the flat out most powerful?

Do you also call Iron Man vs Thor from A1 a stalemate because Cap stopped it?

*“Normal”*

Originally posted by playa1258
Fact: Thor was handling Hulk just fine, he even checked on him " Suns getting a little low."
You are arguing formidability.

Fact:Hulk pounded Thor into the ground. Thor tanked it.[/B]
Yes, he withstood it.

Fact:Thor clearly rocked Hulk went he went Super Saiyan.

Fact:GM was clearly worried and pulled a David Stern for Hulk. [/B]

Hulk withstood it.

GM was worried and he cheated but that doesn't mean anything other than that. Hulk didn't look for help nor was he beaten. Technically Hulk won.

Thor has to have an extreme amount of power to go toe to toe with Hulk.

That along with his skill is why he was making Hulk look bad.