Originally posted by Darth ThorHe didn't beat them and neither were hurting afterwards. So don't say he beat them when he clearly didn't. He cheapshotted the shit out of Iron Man and you seemed to have a problem with Hulk in the Thor fight but act like it's ok for Thor to do so. Thor woke up with pain from the battle because as I said Hulk is the powerhouse of the team whereas Thor is the skilled warrior.
He was winning before they’re asses got saved by Cap and GM.Good enough.
This fights ending was just as ambiguous as about every encounter they had in the comics. Eric Pearson the screenwriter admits it was written to be exactly that to keep the debates going because it's seen as a good thing for fandom.
My personal feelings is it was reminiscent of Hulk Annual 2001, where the Hulk was the stronger and Thor the more powerful.
I think the fight was meant to showcase exactly that. When you look at the totality of the MCU, cleary the Hulk is the strongest one there is. Whether it's one shotting and stopping a Chitauri Leviathan in its tracks or dropping in and running thru a Concrete weapons bunker like it was paper mache. You see it in this movie two, whether it was bursting thought the Arena gate or simply destroying the quinjet by walking and the metal warping around his frame and offering no resistance. All of the scenes are meant to display that for the Hulk, the world itself seems made of paper mache. Whereas Thor can be restrained by some kind of restraing chair or be kept caged in a cell.
His fight with Fenris or taking a shot at Surtur were meant to exhibit his brute strengh and his durability as he seemingly doesn't seem to be injured.
As to the fight itself, it's really good. I have to say Thor was giving it pretty good to the Hulk. He might have been outclassed in strength but he had lightning like speed and reflexes and the Hulk was only able to connect a few times. However when he did, Thor would go sailing across the Arena.
The coolest thing in the fight was the sequence where pure strength came into play was when Thor using the Hulk's hammer gave the Hulk a shot to the leg, two to the head, broke his axe, and another shot to the head that knocked him down. He then backed up, got a running start, leapt and was intent on delivering a two handed overhead swing to be a finishing shot. The Hulk caught the swing in one hand and stopped Thor dead in his tracks. Thor had the same oh crap look on his face Tony had in AoU when he knocked Hulk's tooth out.
This led to a sequence where the Hulk punched Thor across the Arena and leapt on him and started pounding him into a crater. This triggered an Odin vision and survival response that allowed him to channel his god power of the storm and blast the Hulk off with a lighning punch. The Hulk got up and they charged each other from acroos the Arena and leapt at each other. Thor connected with another lighning enhanced punch and floored the Hulk again. The Hulk got up again and as Thor approached the Grandmaster intervened. IMHO and based on the screenwriter, this was a way to end the fight and leave the outcome ambiguous. I am impressed that whether it is Fenris, Surtur, or Thor's god powered up lightning punches left no injuries on the Hulk. Thor was quite bruised and was having his injuries treated after the fight. I am assuming the Grandmaster had counted on his champion winning and could no longer predict the outcome so he ended it.
What I take from the fight is Hulk may be stronger but Thor is more skilled and powerful. Thor is a perfect combination of Strength, Agility, Speed, Reflexes, and H2H cobat knowledge and that with his innate god power is a challenge for even the Hulk's ferocity and immense stregth and durrability.
I felt like they ripped it off from the 2001 Annual because that was the thrust of that book, the Hulk was stronger and Thor more powerful.
Originally posted by GreenGoliath
This fights ending was just as ambiguous as about every encounter they had in the comics. Eric Pearson the screenwriter admits it was written to be exactly that to keep the debates going because it's seen as a good thing for fandom.My personal feelings is it was reminiscent of Hulk Annual 2001, where the Hulk was the stronger and Thor the more powerful.
I think the fight was meant to showcase exactly that. When you look at the totality of the MCU, cleary the Hulk is the strongest one there is. Whether it's one shotting and stopping a Chitauri Leviathan in its tracks or dropping in and running thru a Concrete weapons bunker like it was paper mache. You see it in this movie two, whether it was bursting thought the Arena gate or simply destroying the quinjet by walking and the metal warping around his frame and offering no resistance. All of the scenes are meant to display that for the Hulk, the world itself seems made of paper mache. Whereas Thor can be restrained by some kind of restraing chair or be kept caged in a cell.
His fight with Fenris or taking a shot at Surtur were meant to exhibit his brute strengh and his durability as he seemingly doesn't seem to be injured.
As to the fight itself, it's really good. I have to say Thor was giving it pretty good to the Hulk. He might have been outclassed in strength but he had lightning like speed and reflexes and the Hulk was only able to connect a few times. However when he did, Thor would go sailing across the Arena.
The coolest thing in the fight was the sequence where pure strength came into play was when Thor using the Hulk's hammer gave the Hulk a shot to the leg, two to the head, broke his axe, and another shot to the head that knocked him down. He then backed up, got a running start, leapt and was intent on delivering a two handed overhead swing to be a finishing shot. The Hulk caught the swing in one hand and stopped Thor dead in his tracks. Thor had the same oh crap look on his face Tony had in AoU when he knocked Hulk's tooth out.
This led to a sequence where the Hulk punched Thor across the Arena and leapt on him and started pounding him into a crater. This triggered an Odin vision and survival response that allowed him to channel his god power of the storm and blast the Hulk off with a lighning punch. The Hulk got up and they charged each other from acroos the Arena and leapt at each other. Thor connected with another lighning enhanced punch and floored the Hulk again. The Hulk got up again and as Thor approached the Grandmaster intervened. IMHO and based on the screenwriter, this was a way to end the fight and leave the outcome ambiguous. I am impressed that whether it is Fenris, Surtur, or Thor's god powered up lightning punches left no injuries on the Hulk. Thor was quite bruised and was having his injuries treated after the fight. I am assuming the Grandmaster had counted on his champion winning and could no longer predict the outcome so he ended it.
What I take from the fight is Hulk may be stronger but Thor is more skilled and powerful. Thor is a perfect combination of Strength, Agility, Speed, Reflexes, and H2H cobat knowledge and that with his innate god power is a challenge for even the Hulk's ferocity and immense stregth and durrability.
I felt like they ripped it off from the 2001 Annual because that was the thrust of that book, the Hulk was stronger and Thor more powerful.
I agree to your points completely.
A well founded statement 👆
Originally posted by GreenGoliath
This fights ending was just as ambiguous as about every encounter they had in the comics. Eric Pearson the screenwriter admits it was written to be exactly that to keep the debates going because it's seen as a good thing for fandom.My personal feelings is it was reminiscent of Hulk Annual 2001, where the Hulk was the stronger and Thor the more powerful.
I think the fight was meant to showcase exactly that. When you look at the totality of the MCU, cleary the Hulk is the strongest one there is. Whether it's one shotting and stopping a Chitauri Leviathan in its tracks or dropping in and running thru a Concrete weapons bunker like it was paper mache. You see it in this movie two, whether it was bursting thought the Arena gate or simply destroying the quinjet by walking and the metal warping around his frame and offering no resistance. All of the scenes are meant to display that for the Hulk, the world itself seems made of paper mache. Whereas Thor can be restrained by some kind of restraing chair or be kept caged in a cell.
His fight with Fenris or taking a shot at Surtur were meant to exhibit his brute strengh and his durability as he seemingly doesn't seem to be injured.
As to the fight itself, it's really good. I have to say Thor was giving it pretty good to the Hulk. He might have been outclassed in strength but he had lightning like speed and reflexes and the Hulk was only able to connect a few times. However when he did, Thor would go sailing across the Arena.
The coolest thing in the fight was the sequence where pure strength came into play was when Thor using the Hulk's hammer gave the Hulk a shot to the leg, two to the head, broke his axe, and another shot to the head that knocked him down. He then backed up, got a running start, leapt and was intent on delivering a two handed overhead swing to be a finishing shot. The Hulk caught the swing in one hand and stopped Thor dead in his tracks. Thor had the same oh crap look on his face Tony had in AoU when he knocked Hulk's tooth out.
This led to a sequence where the Hulk punched Thor across the Arena and leapt on him and started pounding him into a crater. This triggered an Odin vision and survival response that allowed him to channel his god power of the storm and blast the Hulk off with a lighning punch. The Hulk got up and they charged each other from acroos the Arena and leapt at each other. Thor connected with another lighning enhanced punch and floored the Hulk again. The Hulk got up again and as Thor approached the Grandmaster intervened. IMHO and based on the screenwriter, this was a way to end the fight and leave the outcome ambiguous. I am impressed that whether it is Fenris, Surtur, or Thor's god powered up lightning punches left no injuries on the Hulk. Thor was quite bruised and was having his injuries treated after the fight. I am assuming the Grandmaster had counted on his champion winning and could no longer predict the outcome so he ended it.
What I take from the fight is Hulk may be stronger but Thor is more skilled and powerful. Thor is a perfect combination of Strength, Agility, Speed, Reflexes, and H2H cobat knowledge and that with his innate god power is a challenge for even the Hulk's ferocity and immense stregth and durrability.
I felt like they ripped it off from the 2001 Annual because that was the thrust of that book, the Hulk was stronger and Thor more powerful.
It's clear that the Thor vs Hulk debate has a long road ahead!...
Considering how Hulk and Thor each have their fans backing them up, i doubt Marvel or the MCU will ever take an official side regarding who is better or above the other.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The debate is over. A handicapped Thor was holding his own against an out-of-control Hulk for a while before being overwhelmed and when he went god mode The Grandmaster had to step in and protect the Hulk.
You had an out of control Hulk in AoU when he and the Hulkbuster fought. This Hulk was in control. In a recent Taika interview, his feeling was that the Hulk implored the Grandmaster to let him keep Thor as a pet after the fight ended, even though they didn't shoot the scene.
The Hulk didn't have any desire to kill Thor and I happen to see the fight as the screenwriter intended. He said he wanted to showcase their strengths and abilities and I believe he did so. Now if you want me to say that I think Thor is more powerful, I can actually see an argument to be made but he clearly isn't stronger. There is nothing in the entire body of the MCU to demonstrate that.
Whether Thor's power or the Hulk's strength can win out at the end of the day is still up for debate. Don't take my word for it, you can check the world of the guy who wrote the scene for the fight.
Originally posted by GreenGoliath
You had an out of control Hulk in AoU when he and the Hulkbuster fought. This Hulk was in control. In a recent Taika interview, his feeling was that the Hulk implored the Grandmaster to let him keep Thor as a pet after the fight ended, even though they didn't shoot the scene.The Hulk didn't have any desire to kill Thor and I happen to see the fight as the screenwriter intended. He said he wanted to showcase their strengths and abilities and I believe he did so. Now if you want me to say that I think Thor is more powerful, I can actually see an argument to be made but he clearly isn't stronger. There is nothing in the entire body of the MCU to demonstrate that.
Whether Thor's power or the Hulk's strength can win out at the end of the day is still up for debate. Don't take my word for it, you can check the world of the guy who wrote the scene for the fight.
Completely agree again.
Just don't hope this guys to ever understand such things, they won't hear words to anything that speaks away from Thor.
Originally posted by GreenGoliath
You had an out of control Hulk in AoU when he and the Hulkbuster fought. This Hulk was in control. In a recent Taika interview, his feeling was that the Hulk implored the Grandmaster to let him keep Thor as a pet after the fight ended, even though they didn't shoot the scene.The Hulk didn't have any desire to kill Thor and I happen to see the fight as the screenwriter intended. He said he wanted to showcase their strengths and abilities and I believe he did so. Now if you want me to say that I think Thor is more powerful, I can actually see an argument to be made but he clearly isn't stronger. There is nothing in the entire body of the MCU to demonstrate that.
Whether Thor's power or the Hulk's strength can win out at the end of the day is still up for debate. Don't take my word for it, you can check the world of the guy who wrote the scene for the fight.
Yet Thor fought an out of control Hulk in the Avengers, and Thor didn't even use his powers then but was still giving Hulk a hell of a fight.
Besides, even if Hulk wasn't out of control in their arena fight, he was still a lot more serious about that fight than Thor was.
Originally posted by GreenGoliath
You had an out of control Hulk in AoU when he and the Hulkbuster fought. This Hulk was in control. In a recent Taika interview, his feeling was that the Hulk implored the Grandmaster to let him keep Thor as a pet after the fight ended, even though they didn't shoot the scene.The Hulk didn't have any desire to kill Thor and I happen to see the fight as the screenwriter intended. He said he wanted to showcase their strengths and abilities and I believe he did so. Now if you want me to say that I think Thor is more powerful, I can actually see an argument to be made but he clearly isn't stronger. There is nothing in the entire body of the MCU to demonstrate that.
Whether Thor's power or the Hulk's strength can win out at the end of the day is still up for debate. Don't take my word for it, you can check the world of the guy who wrote the scene for the fight.
Opinions aren't canon, only what the movies show count. And the movies clearly show that a handicapped Thor was able to fight an amped Hulk for a fair amount of time before being overwhelmed, once Thor went god mode he was shown to have a decisive advantage to the point that The Grandmaster decided to intervene in order to save the Hulk.
Originally posted by GreenGoliath
You had an out of control Hulk in AoU when he and the Hulkbuster fought. This Hulk was in control. In a recent Taika interview, his feeling was that the Hulk implored the Grandmaster to let him keep Thor as a pet after the fight ended, even though they didn't shoot the scene.The Hulk didn't have any desire to kill Thor and I happen to see the fight as the screenwriter intended. He said he wanted to showcase their strengths and abilities and I believe he did so. Now if you want me to say that I think Thor is more powerful, I can actually see an argument to be made but he clearly isn't stronger. There is nothing in the entire body of the MCU to demonstrate that.
Whether Thor's power or the Hulk's strength can win out at the end of the day is still up for debate. Don't take my word for it, you can check the world of the guy who wrote the scene for the fight.
Can you paste or show panel of the words of the Person who wrote the scene Goliath?
I would like to read his words.
Originally posted by cdtmSpeculation. Thor still landed many blows. Hulk was not sore. Hulk only landed one punch to the face iirc after the disc. His ribs were bruised. You're not too bright.
Of course he was sore, the disc didn't let him defend himself as Hulk wailed on him. If not for the disc, it would have been Hulk waking up sore.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
i doubt Marvel or the MCU will ever take an official side regarding who is better or above the other.
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Originally posted by GreenGoliathWhether Thor's power or the Hulk's strength can win out at the end of the day is still up for debate. Don't take my word for it, you can check the world of the guy who wrote the scene for the fight.
You’ve not actually posted any proof of this. In any case it’s not all down to him. It’s down to the director and ultimately down to Feige.
Originally posted by joesha28
Hulk fans upset that greeny was outmatched."Thunder thunder thunder"
Only reason Hulk did not lose was because of Grandmaster.
A non comic book fan who watched the movie will have that feeling.
It’s not feeling, it’s a fact that Thor was winning.
Hulk (after landing all his best punches on Thor), was al groggy and needed recovery. Whereas Thor was casually walking upto Hulk to finish him off.
One of the major flaws in the movie for me, I hope Hela's destruction of the hammer is retconned or something.