(Rematch) The Hulk (MCU) VS Thor (MCU)

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, he wasn't.

Seeing how many punches Thor already took, nothing much.

No, it didn't.

Thor took exactly two punches to about 10+ until the Hulk got pissed and caught him leaping with a hammer blow. And yes, Thor had the same oh crap look Tony had in AoU.

That lead into the ground and pound that brought on the vision from Odin. It save him in that scene just as it did when Hela had on the ropes and the same thing happened. And the Hulk came back even from this storm power enhanced blows.

Again, will keep coming back to what the screenwriter said. The ending was ambiguous with fans on either side getting what they wanted and the debate would rage on.

So?

Thor wasn't very hurt from the ground pound, so one more punch wouldn't have mattered much.

What the movie shows >>> opinions.

Originally posted by GreenGoliath
I actually could buy your argument that Thor is more powerful and superior in a sense. He is stronger thany anyone save the Hulk, he has innate god powers and he is thousands of years old. He has spent eons being venerated as a god of storms and war and has fought countless battles and his battle skills, speed, reflexes, and agility are off the chart.

However, the Hulk is the strongert one there is and his strength is virtually limitless. He may not be immortal in the same way Thor is but he likely unkillable. Could he ever be a Superman to the Avengers? No but he is a Doomsday with Banner's humanity rambling around inside.

Like the movies have shown, the material world is like paper mache to the Hulk. He breaks things just by being and that makes him formidable.

I understand the concept, from the comics to film, of Thor and Hulk always arguing over "strongest there is" member in the Avengers.

From what was shown on-screen in Ragnarok and per the forum rules on feats as the trump card, it's clear that the movie settled the debate on the MCU side. Thor, once serious and in super mode, beats the Hulk, and would have outright if not for GM interfering.

I like both the characters, don't really have a favorite, the feats shown are the feats shown.

Originally posted by GreenGoliath
Thor took exactly two punches to about 10+ until the Hulk got pissed and caught him leaping with a hammer blow. And yes, Thor had the same oh crap look Tony had in AoU.

That lead into the ground and pound that brought on the vision from Odin. It save him in that scene just as it did when Hela had on the ropes and the same thing happened. And the Hulk came back even from this storm power enhanced blows.

Again, will keep coming back to what the screenwriter said. The ending was ambiguous with fans on either side getting what they wanted and the debate would rage on.

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Sorry Silent, I can't quote you since you are on my ignore list. 😂

I'm on your ignore list because you know I'm right, you just can't bring yourself to admit it.

Originally posted by John Murdoch
I understand the concept, from the comics to film, of Thor and Hulk always arguing over "strongest there is" member in the Avengers.

From what was shown on-screen in Ragnarok and per the forum rules on feats as the trump card, it's clear that the movie settled the debate on the MCU side. Thor, once serious and in super mode, beats the Hulk, and would have outright if not for GM interfering.

I like both the characters, don't really have a favorite, the feats shown are the feats shown.

You can speak for GM but not for Hulk.

The GM could have been worried, doesn't mean the Hulk was doing bad!

Just like you argue that the GM saved the Hulk, I can argue that the Hulk needed no help!

Thor isn't STRONGER THAN HULK!

Thor is better trained and has powers that can counter the Hulk! Doesn't make him Stronger.

The movie clearly showed that Thor was winning and that the GM interfered in order to save the Hulk.

Silent Master, the only reason i MIGHT remove you from my ignore list is because am lazy to have to click "here" every time i want to hear a joke from you! 😂

That you believe the unbiased truth is a joke says it all.

The movie showed Thor getting his ass beaten against the floor!

Then Thor got his GOD POWERS and threw Hulk away!

Then Hulk stood up and received a Second shot from Thor!

Then Hulk Stood up AGAIN!!!!!!! And GM stopped the fight!!!

Hulk wasn't harmed and could have continued fighting.

Now that I notice....Wasn't Thor countered by an electricity charge in his neck?????

One would think that if Thor is SO POWERFUL AND SUPERIOR TO HULK such a shock would have 0 effect on him..

Yet the GOD OF THUNDER is neutralized by an electric pulse in his neck!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA 😂

Hulk is still more Resistant and Stronger than Thor!

The obedience disk wasn't electric in nature, this has already been explained.

The movie clearly shows that Thor was winning and the GM interfered in order to protect the Hulk.

Originally posted by John Murdoch
I understand the concept, from the comics to film, of Thor and Hulk always arguing over "strongest there is" member in the Avengers.

From what was shown on-screen in Ragnarok and per the forum rules on feats as the trump card, it's clear that the movie settled the debate on the MCU side. Thor, once serious and in super mode, beats the Hulk, and would have outright if not for GM interfering.

I like both the characters, don't really have a favorite, the feats shown are the feats shown.

Feats like being handcuffed or held down in a restraining chair?(Thor)

Or do you mean feats like knocking Surtur's sideways after he bigger than the Asgardian mountains, or smashing through the Arena wall or simply by ripping through metal like pape by walking on to the Quinjet. Or tearing up the Hulkbuster Armor which was Tony and Bruce's best tech or dropping in and just running through a concrete bunker to take it out.

Because being held down in a chair by restraints or held in a cell are such great feats.

In the fight itself, the only blow aisde from the storm enhanced punches that actually really impacted the Hulk from Thor was when he timed his charge and used his own charge and momentum against him. Thor's punces and Hammer blows may have buckled a knee or turned his head but the the few times and it was only a few that Hulk hit Thor it launched him across the Arena or pounded him into a crater. Even a kidney punch from behind, or trying to choke him out with an arm lock around his neck didn't have any impact on the Hulk.

So as the feats are show, all you have are two storm ehanced punches. Not one shotting a Chitauri leviathan and stopping it dead it's tracks or the many other strength feats.

I am willing to give the Thor his due but saying the MCU puts the debate to rest in the face of the screenwriter saying the opposite is just opinion. You have yours, Hulk fans have theirs as it was intended to be.

INTERESTING!!!....

Thor in his God Form was neutralized by an electric charge.....

That means the God of Thunder isn't that unbeatable after all.....

Hulk wouldn't have suffered such a thing! It's clear now that Thor<<<<<Hulk in terms of Durability! So interesting!....

Again my previous points are valid PER MOVIE FEATS!

HAHAHAHAHA WISH TO SEE FROTHBYTE FACE NOW!

Originally posted by Silent Master
The obedience disk wasn't electric in nature, this has already been explained.

The movie clearly shows that Thor was winning and the GM interfered in order to protect the Hulk.

Again you see the move that way but it was not show clearly or written that way so Josh could see it entirely different as he clearly does.

And what was it Silent? It was clearly electricity PER MOVIE FEATS.

It wasn't an electric charge, unless you think electricity causes your veins to stick out and turn blue.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You can speak for GM but not for Hulk.

The GM could have been worried, doesn't mean the Hulk was doing bad!

Just like you argue that the GM saved the Hulk, I can argue that the Hulk needed no help!

Thor isn't STRONGER THAN HULK!

Thor is better trained and has powers that can counter the Hulk! Doesn't make him Stronger.

Well, Super Saiyan Thor was about to continue the one-sided beatdown he was already delivering if Jeff Goldblum wouldn't have shocked him. That was obvious. I know the comic book trope is always have some kind of outside interference that unites the two heroes fighting to band together to achieve a common goal, and I know that was where the plot was going. MCU wasn't going to have Thor kill Hulk. It's plain as day that Thor wins from the most current thundered out version that fought Hulk in the arena, which is the version of Thor here by default as it's the most recent movie version.

By "strongest there is", I mean who wins a fight between the two, not "strongest there is" in terms of who can lift more than the other. In the movies, they compete with one another by beating each other up and such, not lifting weights.

Originally posted by GreenGoliath
Again you see the move that way but it was not show clearly or written that way so Josh could see it entirely different as he clearly does.

Exactly, the Movie never explained what the Obedience Disk was! It seemed like electricity.

According to SilentMaster's and Frothbite's rule, Feats>>>>>>>>Opinions.

See your own stupidity be used against you Silent.

Originally posted by GreenGoliath
Again you see the move that way but it was not show clearly or written that way so Josh could see it entirely different as he clearly does.

I see what the movie actually shows. what may or may not have been intended doesn't matter.

Originally posted by John Murdoch
Well, Super Saiyan Thor was about to continue the one-sided beatdown he was already delivering if Jeff Goldblum wouldn't have shocked him. That was obvious. I know the comic book trope is always have some kind of outside interference that unites the two heroes fighting to band together to achieve a common goal, and I know that was where the plot was going. MCU wasn't going to have Thor kill Hulk. It's plain as day that Thor wins from the most current thundered out version that fought Hulk in the arena, which is the version of Thor here by default as it's the most recent movie version.

By "strongest there is", I mean who wins a fight between the two, not "strongest there is" in terms of who can lift more than the other. In the movies, they compete with one another by beating each other up and such, not lifting weights.

Again, there is no way to predict with certainty what would have happened. It's why it's called a Cliffhanger.

Hulk could have as well stood up another hit!

Or Hulk could have as well managed to hit Thor again!