Caine Wise (Jupiter Ascending) vs. Darth Vader (ROTJ)

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]You are wrong. We let the fiction define how it applies otherwise you are just making shit up. The story defines how the characters are portrayed not you.

If we have a set of criteria for fictional universes, we apply it everywhere and treat them the exact same way

The flashs perception is made clear. Han Solo and Leia speaking for over thirty words isn't flash like. They don't have super speed at all nor are they portrayed this way.

I don't give a shit about your demand for a specific type of feat

I mean, DBZ characters are relativistic, yet we hear the humans speak and shit during their fights, still doesn't detract from their speed, at all, list goes on in fiction, same shit applies here and everywhere, don't like it you should go hang out at SpergBattles where HP wanking is acceptable

Only a Sith. iPad changed it to with.

Still blaming the IPad for everything?

No, we never apply the same rules to everything.

Except that we do, because you know, consistency

That's preposterous.

Not really

I guess time passing by isn't really seconds because they spoke.

GTFO.

No u

If you want to argue super speed then you have to prove it.

Even Episode 1 Jedi were zipping down a several hundred feet hallway in a few seconds, they only got progressively stronger since then

That's how debating works. The same principles apply to debating but each universe defines itself in that universe.

Only in ODC land does this pass as a logical statement of any sort

Originally posted by StealthRanger
If we have a set of criteria for fictional universes, we apply it everywhere and treat them the exact same way

I don't give a shit about your demand for a specific type of feat

I mean, DBZ characters are relativistic, yet we hear the humans speak and shit during their fights, still doesn't detract from their speed, at all, list goes on in fiction, same shit applies here and everywhere, don't like it you should go hang out at SpergBattles where HP wanking is acceptable

Still blaming the IPad for everything?

Except that we do, because you know, consistency

Not really

No u

Even Episode 1 Jedi were zipping down a several hundred feet hallway in a few seconds, they only got progressively stronger since then

Only in ODC land does this pass as a logical statement of any sort

If they are portrayed quickly as it can be proven I give it credit. If they are not then no super speed is being portrayed. Simple. You assuming all speech means a total standstill in time is one of the most laughable and biased stances I can recall ever hearing about.

It changes Sith to with because I type with far more frequently. You couldn't even figure it out with one letter off. It's one of Obi's quotes you idiot.

Who does ? Who is we ? Quit just making shit up.

In that scene they were portrayed as super fast when entry sprinted. That doesn't mean every other action automatically occurs at that speed. 😂

So you don't care what rules or laws each universe applies and make up your own.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Only an idiot would say something as ridiculous as your black and white mentality. If you say no time has passed then you prove it. That's how debating works.

Jedi and Sith have proven speed feats, humans talking while they're crushing shit is irrelevant

If they are portrayed quickly as it can be proven I give it credit.

So Jedi and Sith speed feats mean nothing now

If they are not then no super speed is being portrayed. Simple. You assuming all speech means a total standstill in time is one of the most laughable and biased stances I can recall ever hearing about.

So I guess all fiction is subsonic because people talk during fights between MHS+ characters and said MHS characters can have entire convos while fighting, you're a joke mate 👆

It changes Sith to with because I type with far more frequently. You couldn't even figure it out with one letter off. It's one of Obi's quotes you idiot.

I knew perfectly well what it was spergchi, I was just mocking you

Who does ? Who is we ? Quit just making shit up.

Oh I don't know, pretty much every vs debating board ever since 2006

In that scene they were portrayed as super fast when entry sprinted. That doesn't mean every other action automatically occurs at that speed.

Unless we have a reason to believe they weren't going that much slower, speed feats tend to be definitive of a character's capability

So you don't care what rules or laws each universe applies and make up your own.

😂

Hardly, my standards are simply consistent, meaning I apply the same logic across fiction when I analyse it and it's feats

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Jedi and Sith have proven speed feats, humans talking while they're crushing shit is irrelevant

So Jedi and Sith speed feats mean nothing now

So I guess all fiction is subsonic because people talk during fights between MHS+ characters and said MHS characters can have entire convos while fighting, you're a joke mate 👆

I knew perfectly well what it was spergchi, I was just mocking you

Oh I don't know, pretty much every vs debating board ever since 2006

Unless we have a reason to believe they weren't going that much slower, speed feats tend to be definitive of a character's capability

Hardly, my standards are simply consistent, meaning I apply the same logic across fiction when I analyse it and it's feats

When did I say that ? They can sprint away in that speed. Never once do we ever see them fight at maximum sprint away speed. That's how it's done.

I never said all or none. That's you. I said go by each portrayal. Saying they all adhere to the same rules is stupid. Potter magic is different than Lotr Magic you tool.

So you were flaming and trolling. Loser.

That's incorrect. Name a board and cite the specific rule. If you can't then guess what you concede, freak.

In the same capacity we see it occur. No one can fight as fast as they sprint. It doesn't even make sense.

No, they aren't. My standards are consistent unlike yours. I go by the same principles honoring each portrayal and fictional universe. You don't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Jedi and Sith do have faster feats but a humans perception isn't a jedis so them talking means the time is relative to their perception not the jedis. You didn't see that coming did ya ?

Useless red herring, humans talking during a fight doesn't mean shit about how fast a Jedi does something, same reason early DB characters can fight in microseconds yet people talk and shit during them, hence why talking is a free action though I suppose logic 101 may have been obscured by your desperation and pedanticsm, as usual

When did I say that ? They can sprint away in that speed. Never once do we ever see them fight at maximum sprint away speed. That's how it's done.

Movement is movement, if they can move their legs that fast, they can move their arms that fast

I never said all or none. That's you. I said go by each portrayal. Saying they all adhere to the same rules is stupid. Potter magic is different than Lotr Magic you tool.

LOTR Magic>HP Magic, in raw power, however we assume they'll interact regardless due to the equivalence rule, but that's a debate for another time

That's incorrect. Name a board and cite the specific rule. If you can't then guess what you concede, freak.

In the same capacity we see it occur. No one can fight as fast as they sprint. It doesn't even make sense.

Fiction doing unrealistic things, whoa, what are the odds

"We can see it so it must be slow"

You're a joke

No, they aren't. My standards are consistent unlike yours.

>we don't apply the same standards across fiction
>still insists his standards are consistent

Bro, do you even logic?

I go by the same principles honoring each portrayal and fictional universe. You don't.

I don't deal in double standards, mate

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Useless red herring, humans talking during a fight doesn't mean shit about how fast a Jedi does something, same reason early DB characters can fight in microseconds yet people talk and shit during them, hence why talking is a free action though I suppose logic 101 may have been obscured by your desperation and pedanticsm, as usual

Movement is movement, if they can move their legs that fast, they can move their arms that fast

LOTR Magic>HP Magic, in abilities, however we assume they'll interact regardless due to the equivalence rule, but that's a debate for another time

Fiction doing unrealistic things, whoa, what are the odds

"We can see it so it must be slow"

You're a joke

>we don't apply the same standards across fiction
>still insists his standards are consistent

Bro, do you even logic?

I don't deal in double standards, mate

No, that is incorrect. Sprinting isn't the same as fighting and reacting. Usain Bolt isn't quicker than Bruce Lee in a fight. Running isn't fighting, kiddo. Movement is not always movement. Different kinds of movement, etc. you're mindless.

Lies. Potter magic is more powerful, more versatile, more impressive but the point is their magic functions completely different, dummy.

What character can fight as fast as they sprint ?

How could I apply the same fictional parameters of fiction across differing universes of fiction.

I go by the context and apply logic. Your system makes no sense and actually is hypocritical. You also ignore feats, lengths of time, etc.

Prove the rule you claimed. You avoided that entirely, dummy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't a red herring. That's actual time taking place. It all makes sense.

There was no stated timeframe 👆

What you want is to pretend a much shorter time places place without any evidence as to dictate the length of time and apply it broadly to all talking feats throughout fiction.

Well like I said, if I apply a set of logic to a fiction, I apply it everywhere or not at all

GTFO you idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIcEEA6zrmA

No, that is incorrect. Sprinting isn't the same as fighting and reacting. Usain Bolt isn't quicker than Bruce Lee in a fight. Running isn't fighting, kiddo. Movement is not always movement. Different kinds of movement, etc. you're mindless.

There's only a, like, few m/s difference between them, would you still pull this if Usain Bolt was dozens of times faster than Bruce Lee? If Usain Bolt was a significant fraction of the speed of sound would you still pull this logic? Somehow don't think so

Lies. Potter magic is more powerful, more versatile, more impressive but the point is their magic functions completely different, dummy.

Oh I get it, so a completely irrelevant tangent that has nothing to do with my point, man, you love these red herrings don't you

What character can fight as fast as they sprint ?

Pretty much any character in fiction with speed feats, you know

How could I apply the same fictional parameters of fiction across differing universes of fiction.

Good question, seeing as that's something you don't seem to be capable of doing

I go by the context and apply logic.

"Logic" in your case being "only things that mesh with my entirely subjective interpretation of the setting and my incredulity"

Your system makes no sense and actually is hypocritical. You also ignore feats, lengths of time, etc.

Do you even listen to yourself when you talk?

Prove the rule you claimed. You avoided that entirely, dummy.

What rule? :maybe

Originally posted by StealthRanger
There was no stated timeframe 👆

Well like I said, if I apply a set of logic to a fiction, I apply it everywhere or not at all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIcEEA6zrmA

There's only a, like, few m/s difference between them, would you still pull this if Usain Bolt was dozens of times faster than Bruce Lee? If Usain Bolt was a significant fraction of the speed of sound would you still pull this logic? Somehow don't think so

Oh I get it, so a completely irrelevant tangent that has nothing to do with my point, man, you love these red herrings don't you

Pretty much any character in fiction with speed feats, you know

Good question, seeing as that's something you don't seem to be capable of doing

"Logic" in your case being "only things that mesh with my entirely subjective interpretation of the setting and my incredulity"

Do you even listen to yourself when you talk?

What rule? :maybe

The problem is you can't. Then you have butchered portrayals. Time is all relative to perception. A second is a longer time frame due to the flashes perception but according to you he's equal with a human since it's all equal. 😂

He's a lot faster. It isn't even close. Fighting and sprinting are different. All movements are different you tool.

My point was they both operate differently so your apply it all the same makes no sense since they abide by different rules.

Name a character so I can decimate your stance.

The answer is you can't.

You claimed all blRds operate by this rule. Prove it. Post it, boy.

Originally posted by dumbcunt
So the characters need to say 20 seconds just passed in the story ? So if a character flies a spacecraft and talks the whole time we assume the flight took no time whatsoever. I mean your rules make absolutely no sense.

lolstrawman
lolirrelevanttangent

The problem is you can't. Then you have butchered portrayals. Time is all relative to perception. A second is a longer time frame due to the flashes perception but according to you he's equal with a human since it's all equal. 😂

Feats>"portrayals"

The series>your bullshit

/discussion

He's a lot faster. It isn't even close. Fighting and sprinting are different. All movements are different you tool.

Is he an order of magnitude faster?

My point was they both operate differently so your apply it all the same makes no sense since they abide by different rules.

As per eqivalence rules we'd assume they'd interact regardless but that's another story

Name a character so I can decimate your stance.

"Just because characters can run at Mach 1500 doesn't mean they can punch faster than a guy with reaction/attack speed clocked at 20 m/s!"

You're not even trying 👆

The answer is you can't.

Except I can, because unlike you, I don't operate off double standards

You claimed all blRds operate by this rule. Prove it. Post it, boy.

All birds? I didn't know birds had anything to do with this 😉

Originally posted by StealthRanger
lolstrawman
lolirrelevanttangent

Feats>"portrayals"

The series>your bullshit

/discussion

Is he an order of magnitude faster?

As per eqivalence rules we'd assume they'd interact regardless but that's another story

"Just because characters can run at Mach 1500 doesn't mean they can punch faster than a guy with reaction/attack speed clocked at 20 m/s!"

You're not even trying 👆

Except I can, because unlike you, I don't operate off double standards

All birds? I didn't know birds had anything to do with this 😉

Both count. But according to you once someone speaks it's all the same. 😂

He's faster to the point Bruce Lee would be mocked for racing him. Bruce Lee would have kicked the shit out of him though proving all movements are. Not the same thing, tool.

Yes,muthey interact with each other but OPERATE DIFFERENTLY. THAT's my POINT.

I don't either.

All boards. Post the proof on here at least.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on your rules time ceases to pass because someone is speaking. Your points are getting shredded like your vagina.

lolstrawman

Hardly, I don't consider "durr he talked so it's not fast" as a valid argument, because it's a ****ing trope

Both count. But according to you once someone speaks it's all the same. 😂

Feats>portrayals

What happened>your downplaying bullshit

He's faster to the point Bruce Lee would be mocked for racing him. Bruce Lee would have kicked the shit out of him though proving all movements are. Not the same thing, tool.

Could Usian Bolt run so fast that he appears to be teleporting to Bruce Lee?

Yes,muthey interact with each other but OPERATE DIFFERENTLY. THAT's my POINT.

They have different abilities, who gives a shit

I don't either.

"I'll take low end showings for Vader but I'll take the best feats for Caine oh so shamelessly"

"Tropes are treated as if they're actual feats rather than just tropes in some verses but not others"

"Voldemort can use whatever top notch effective spells at the start of the fight but Superman is in character and won't speedblitz him"

Really quanchi? Surely you jest?

All boards. Post the proof on here at least.

You seriously demanding proof of people not being hypocrites like you? My god you are desperate

Originally posted by StealthRanger
lolstrawman

Hardly, I don't consider "durr he talked so it's not fast" as a valid argument, because it's a ****ing trope

Feats>portrayals

What happened>your downplaying bullshit

Could Usian Bolt run so fast that he appears to be teleporting to Bruce Lee?

They have different abilities, who gives a shit

"I'll take low end showings for Vader but I'll take the best feats for Caine oh so shamelessly"

"Tropes are treated as if they're actual feats rather than just tropes in some verses but not others"

"Voldemort can use whatever top notch effective spells at the start of the fight but Superman is in character and won't speedblitz him"

Really quanchi? Surely you jest?

You seriously demanding proof of people not being hypocrites like you? My god you are desperate

Everything counts. The flash is portrayed as fast and his feats prove it. You want to discount portrayals and everyone who speaks becomes super fast because time is left at the door. Lol.

Irrelevant. He's faster than Lee but can't fight for shit. Obi can run that fast but can't fight that fast. Watch his fight against Jango to see proof. My shit all lines up.

Voldemort in character starts off with kill curses. I don't argue he possesses his opponents because he did it to Harry once. You argue based off the At At feat like its the only thing he does but forget that it took the time to speak 31 words out of human beings. Woohoo.

You said the rules are all this one. Post proof of this board. It should be easy. Younsaid they are all this way. Chop chop.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't say that either but if a human talks and the feat takes fifteen seconds then it takes fifteen seconds. A spade is a spade.

>the point

>10 billion light years

>your head

Everything counts. The flash is portrayed as fast and his feats prove it. You want to discount portrayals and everyone who speaks becomes super fast because time is left at the door. Lol.

I don't care about "portrayals", all I care about are what they did

And yet another strawman on your part

Irrelevant. He's faster than Lee but can't fight for shit. Obi can run that fast but can't fight that fast. Watch his fight against Jango to see proof. My shit all lines up.

"Just because somebody can run at Mach 1500 doesn't mean they can punch above 20 m/s!!!!"

You're so terrible at this quanchi

But yeah, unless running super fast is stated to be limited to that, we don't assume that it is /discussion

Voldemort in character starts off with kill curses. I don't argue he possesses his opponents because he did it to Harry once. You argue based off the At At feat like its the only thing he does but forget that it took the time to speak 31 words out of human beings. Woohoo.

>dumbcunt still cannot comprehend the "talking is a free action" trope

You suck at debating

You said the rules are all this one. Post proof of this board. It should be easy. Younsaid they are all this way. Chop chop.

When you demand proof for every little thing, you're clearly desperate

Guess it's just most people in vs debating not being hypocrites who apply sets of logic only to their pet verses :distracted

Originally posted by StealthRanger
>the point

>10 billion light years

>your head

I don't care about "portrayals", all I care about are what they did

And yet another strawman on your part

"Just because somebody can run at Mach 1500 doesn't mean they can punch above 20 m/s!!!!"

You're so terrible at this quanchi

But yeah, unless running super fast is stated to be limited to that, we don't assume that it is /discussion

>dumbcunt still cannot comprehend the "talking is a free action" trope

You suck at debating

When you demand proof for every little thing, you're clearly desperate

Guess it's just most people in vs debating not being hypocrites who apply sets of logic only to their pet verses :distracted

Portrayals and feats both matter. I name feats all the time you ignore so you are picking and choosing. You saying low feats means you're subjectively deciding what counts aka biased and different standards for all feats.

You have to prove it. Someone can sprint faster than they can react in a fight. Your ridiculous non point isn't proof.

Prove it.

So you say things you can't prove aka lying. You're a weak, lying, inept debater.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You don't have any reason to ignore time passing just because of speech. Only ignore it if the character's perception of time is different. This is how adults think, kiddo.

If it's a trope then it's not taken seriously, case closed

Portrayals and feats both matter. I name feats all the time you ignore so you are picking and choosing. You saying low feats means you're subjectively deciding what counts aka biased and different standards for all feats.

Oh no you don't, you only nitpick low end showings and emphasise them as if they're evidence (hint they're not) and have more validity then actual showings

You have to prove it. Someone can sprint faster than they can react in a fight. Your ridiculous non point isn't proof.

"So what if a character can run at Mach 1500, doesn't mean he can punch at 20 m/s!!!"

And posts like this are why nobody takes you seriously 👆

So you say things you can't prove aka lying. You're a weak, lying, inept debater.

No, it's just clear as day people aren't lying hypocrites who only apply a positive set of logic to their pet verses 👆

Originally posted by StealthRanger
If it's a trope then it's not taken seriously, case closed

Oh no you don't, you only nitpick low end showings and emphasise them as if they're evidence (hint they're not) and have more validity then actual showings

"So what if a character can run at Mach 1500, doesn't mean he can punch at 20 m/s!!!"

And posts like this are why nobody takes you seriously 👆

No, it's just clear as day people aren't lying hypocrites who only apply a positive set of logic to their pet verses 👆

I count all showings. You don't. I doubt all evidence you don't. You're one of the most biased, illogical debaters out there whi can't prove anything. You're inept at debating.

I apply the same standards for all. You pick,and choose out of bias. 💃

Originally posted by quanchi112
You need to prove speech means time suspension. This doesn't make any sense. You cannot prove time stands still.

If it's a trope, it's not taken seriously as a feat /case closed

I count all showings. You don't. I doubt all evidence you don't.

Actions speak louder than words quanchi, your nitpicking of low end showings as evidence doesn't exactly validate your claim here

You're one of the most biased, illogical debaters out there whi can't prove anything. You're inept at debating.

I apply the same standards for all. You pick,and choose out of bias. 💃

"I'll take low end showings for Vader but I'll take the best feats for Caine oh so shamelessly"

"Tropes are treated as if they're actual feats rather than just tropes in some verses but not others"

"Voldemort can use whatever top notch effective spells at the start of the fight but Superman is in character and won't speedblitz him"

You know quan, you should prolly stop saying things like this, your attempts at saving face by pretending to be objective aren't working

Originally posted by StealthRanger
If it's a trope, it's not taken seriously as a feat /case closed

Actions speak louder than words quanchi, your nitpicking of low end showings as evidence doesn't exactly validate your claim here

You know quan, you should prolly stop saying things like this, your attempts at saving face by pretending to be objective aren't working

I don't call highs and lows because that's subjectivity. There is only evidence. You saying highs and lows probes you use double standards and bias. 💃

I am objective hence my all facts count stance.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based off what ? You saying time passing by isn't to be taken seriously it's a trope isn't a valid point. Cite anything to back up your ignorance. It's just you saying nonsense like a child.

If it's a trope it's not taken seriously, unless you believe Superman and the Flash are subsonic because they can have conversations when they fight

I don't call highs and lows because that's subjectivity. There is only evidence. You saying highs and lows probes you use double standards and bias. 💃

So according to you Superman being harmed by a fence post or Thanos being overpowered and beaten by street gangs is somehow not a low end showing to you?

Or Superman tanking the power of 50 supernovas directly wouldn't be a high showing?

Sorry are you, retarded?

I am objective hence my all facts count stance.

Nitpicking low end showings is not objectivity

Originally posted by StealthRanger
If it's a trope it's not taken seriously, unless you believe Superman and the Flash are subsonic because they can have conversations when they fight

So according to you Superman being harmed by a fence post or Thanos being overpowered and beaten by street gangs is somehow not a low end showing to you?

Or Superman tanking the power of 50 supernovas directly wouldn't be a high showing?

Sorry are you, retarded?

Nitpicking low end showings is not objectivity

If it's canon it's all evidence unless proven otherwise. Saying low or high is subjective or opinion based, idiot.

Irony.

Citing evidence is debating. Saying this doesn't count because I say it's low is a double standard. 😂