Caine Wise (Jupiter Ascending) vs. Darth Vader (ROTJ)

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree it s impressive but it isn't the same thing. We have seen vader kill humans and guess what he's never insta crushed anyone. You cannot just make feats up where none have applied.

You're right, it's not the same, it's so much better 👆

We see it. Is maul some idiot who fights and fights when he can win at any time ? No. Any great fighter attacks at pivotal moments when there are openings.

Maul's style is physically overpowering opponents, not breaking their spirits

Watch the film.

Watch the film, nerd.

So you won't provide evidence for your claims? I accept your concession, for the fourth time

He can survive vader's attacks and has a shield as well to block the saber if he gets close.

Can you prove his shield can block lightsabers? 👆

Can you prove he can survive force crush too 👆

You admit you're agprguijg out of bias with no knowledge whatsoever of the opposition.

I'm sorry, I'm doing what now? Jesus I've heard of rage typo's but never seen incoherent meshes of letters 😆

But yeah, I think I've proven my point, you have have nothing but stonewalling and pedanticism, you're done, accept it

Originally posted by StealthRanger
You're right, it's not the same, it's so much better 👆

Maul's style is physically overpowering opponents, not breaking their spirits

So you won't provide evidence for your claims? I accept your concession, for the fourth time

Can you prove his shield can block lightsabers? 👆

Can you prove he can survive force crush too 👆

I'm sorry, I'm doing what now? Jesus I've heard of rage typo's but never seen incoherent meshes of letters 😆

But yeah, I think I've proven my point, you have have nothing but stonewalling and pedanticism, you're done, accept it

He kills foes with his saber and to gain the edge in I u he force pushed him when his guard was down.

Movie is too new, noob.

Force crush has never killed a humanoid character. Can sabers cut through droid shields ?

You made up feats and admitted you're ignorant. Just say you concede.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is not applicable to a human or fleshy character so moot.

As said to you on several threads claiming a character can't do something even though it'd logically be within his ability to do so is against the rules. Reported

Or perhaps you believe a human is more durable than an AT-AT, and if you do, then you're a complete mongoloid 👆

Movie is too new, noob.

Excuses

Force crush has never killed a humanoid character.

Never used force crush on a person, then again why would he need to? 👆

Can sabers cut through droid shields ?

Droid shields are simply that energetic, 'fraid you need feats to prove Caine's shields could stand up to lightsabers 👆

You made up feats and admitted you're ignorant. Just say you concede.

If he can crush an AT-AT he can crush a human. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out

Yet here we are

Originally posted by StealthRanger
As said to you on several threads claiming a character can't do something even though it'd logically be within his ability to do so is against the rules. Reported

Or perhaps you believe a human is more durable than an AT-AT, and if you do, then you're a complete mongoloid 👆

Excuses

Never used force crush on a person, then again why would he need to? 👆

Droid shields are simply that energetic, 'fraid you need feats to prove Caine's shields could stand up to lightsabers 👆

If he can crush an AT-AT he can crush a human. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out

Yet here we are

Truth hurts.

To kill someone. Dooku force choked obi and wanted him dead. Force crush kills him right away.

So are Caine's. 😂

Prove it with the power being applied that way. If you can't I should report you like robtard. But I'm not an insecure, short, man named Roberta.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is bogus. You can't just make feats up. Report away, nerd. Just because they force crush a vehicle doesn't mean they can force crush someone's penis. In the movie chronicle they displayed the skill to do so not in Star Wars as of yet.

What's to make up? Simple fact of the matter is if he can crush vehicles and bolted machinery he can effortlessly crush something comparitively weak such as flesh and bone and your stonewalling doesn't change this basic ****ing logic

Force crushing a human doesn't require advanced telekinetic precision stooge

Truth hurts.

Can you show the feats to back your assertions then? 👆

To kill someone. Dooku force choked obi and wanted him dead. Force crush kills him right away.

Dooku just force choked Obi and slammed him against a wall, and dropped a catwalk on his ass

And using force crush to kill a regular person is just overkill and utterly unnecessary 👆

So are Caine's. 😂

Quantify it or GTFO

Prove it with the power being applied that way. If you can't I should report you like robtard. But I'm not an insecure, short, man named Roberta.

Crushing an AT-AT>>>>Crushing some human schmuck 👆

Originally posted by StealthRanger
What's to make up? Simple fact of the matter is if he can crush vehicles and bolted machinery he can effortlessly crush something comparitively weak such as flesh and bone and your stonewalling doesn't change this basic ****ing logic

Force crushing a human doesn't require advanced telekinetic precision stooge

Can you show the feats to back your assertions then? 👆

Dooku just force choked Obi and slammed him against a wall, and dropped a catwalk on his ass

And using force crush to kill a regular person is just overkill and utterly unnecessary 👆

Quantify it or GTFO

Crushing an AT-AT>>>>Crushing some human schmuck 👆

I already told you the movie is too new so quit asking, nerd.

He wanted obi dead. It is quicker and wouldn't have required prolonged concentration as opposed to an insta kill. Obi survived so it is needed. The power does not apply that way, nerd.

Quantify the droids shields. Still railings in the original trilogy also were not destroyed despite saber contact. 😂

Apples and oranges. You concede.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't care what you say Vader has no done so. You can only apply his feats in the manner in which he has performed them.

What, you mean force crushing, yeah, simple application of force, he can do it to an AT-AT, he can do it to a human. It's like saying Superman couldn't lift a sea monkey or Vegeta couldn't bust a continent or whatever. As I've said several times, you're effectively stonewalling at this point

I already told you the movie is too new so quit asking, nerd.

And that'd be a.... fifth concession now?

He wanted obi dead. It is quicker and wouldn't have required prolonged concentration as opposed to an insta kill. Obi survived so it is needed. The power does not apply that way, nerd.

Dooku looked pretty damn casual about what he did, that and provoking Anakin into a frenzy and whatnot

Quantify the droids shields.

Droid shields being able to tank blaster rifles that can fire blasts that vaporise .5 meter sections in durasteel, and vaporising Grievous' organs, both calc'd in the megajoule range (StarDestroyer.net or SpaceBattles I believe)

Your move

Still railings in the original trilogy also were not destroyed despite saber contact. 😂

"I'll take one low end showing and act like it invalidates everything else"

Low end showings do not count as valid evidence, but you know, pretend what is in all likelihood a cinematic error overrides consistent feats of cutting through metals, by all means keep presenting yourself this way, makes it so easy to mock you

Apples and oranges. You concede.

No, simple case of one is far more impressive than the other. Like comparing a hand grenade to a Tsar Bomba stooge

Originally posted by StealthRanger
What, you mean force crushing, yeah, simple application of force, he can do it to an AT-AT, he can do it to a human. It's like saying Superman couldn't lift a sea monkey or Vegeta couldn't bust a continent or whatever. As I've said several times, you're effectively stonewalling at this point

And that'd be a.... fifth concession now?

Dooku looked pretty damn casual about what he did, that and provoking Anakin into a frenzy and whatnot

Droid shields being able to tank blaster rifles that can fire blasts that vaporise .5 meter sections in durasteel, and vaporising Grievous' organs, both calc'd in the megajoule range (StarDestroyer.net or SpaceBattles I believe)

Your move

"I'll take one low end showing and act like it invalidates everything else"

Low end showings do not count as valid evidence, but you know, pretend what is in all likelihood a cinematic error overrides consistent feats of cutting through metals, by all means keep presenting yourself this way, makes it so easy to mock you

No, simple case of one is far more impressive than the other. Like comparing a hand grenade to a Tsar Bomba stooge

No, I cannot post evidence due to it not being there. Watch the film, cheapie.

So made up numbers and you failed to address the railing making contact with the saber and remaining intact.

All canon evidence counts. Anyone who picks and chooses is biased.

No, it is two different pieces of fruit. Your feat doesn't apply to humanoids.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We argue based off how these characters behave and what they do.m they can force choke, force push, etc. but to say they insta kill isn't in the cards. No evidence to support such a claim.

been there done that, feats put him at a level where he could easily do so if he wanted to

I mean, if I wanted to I could easily do the same thing for Harry Potter characters, though you'd probably throw a ***** fit so loud they'd hear you all the way from Diagon Alley or Hogwarts

No, I cannot post evidence due to it not being there. Watch the film, cheapie.

So, this is the, sixth concession now. JHC man I heard you the first time

So made up numbers

"I don't like it so it doesn't count"

and you failed to address the railing making contact with the saber and remaining intact.

Been there done that, low end showings do not count as valid evidence, and do not override every single other feat in the series of cutting through metal objects

All canon evidence counts. Anyone who picks and chooses is biased.

Been there done that, moving on

No, it is two different pieces of fruit. Your feat doesn't apply to humanoids.

Prove it's somehow different please beyond "I say so"

AT-AT armor is OOM more durable than human flesh, Vader crushed that, prove that crushing a humanoid would be difficult

Seriously, quit dismissing shit because you don't like it you dishonest little shit. I mean, I'd just love to dismiss every argument you've made here and call it my win because you're a complete moron, but I'm sorry to say that's just not how vs debating works

So how's 'bout you stop stonewalling and attempt to disprove it you lazy ****

You assert he cannot crush a humanoid. I say prove it

I've supported my claim with feats, balls in your court quanchi, prove up or shut up

Your move

Btw, I notice your posts keep getting shorter and shorter every time you post, I'd be inclined to believe it's because you're running out of things to say, but I'm certain it's just a coincidence, surely

Originally posted by StealthRanger
been there done that, feats put him at a level where he could easily do so if he wanted to

I mean, if I wanted to I could easily do the same thing for Harry Potter characters, though you'd probably throw a ***** fit so loud they'd hear you all the way from Diagon Alley or Hogwarts

So, this is the, sixth concession now. JHC man I heard you the first time

"I don't like it so it doesn't count"

Been there done that, low end showings do not count as valid evidence, and do not override every single other feat in the series of cutting through metal objects

Been there done that, moving on

Prove it's somehow different please beyond "I say so"

AT-AT armor is OOM more durable than human flesh, Vader crushed that, prove that crushing a humanoid would be difficult

Seriously, quit dismissing shit because you don't like it you dishonest little shit. I mean, I'd just love to dismiss every argument you've made here and call it my win because you're a complete moron, but I'm sorry to say that's just not how vs debating works

So how's 'bout you stop stonewalling and attempt to disprove it you lazy ****

You assert he cannot crush a humanoid. I say prove it

I've supported my claim with feats, balls in your court quanchi, prove up or shut up

Your move

Btw, I notice your posts keep getting shorter and shorter every time you post, I'd be inclined to believe it's because you're running out of things to say, but I'm certain it's just a coincidence, surely

I do not argue based off abilities alone. I argue in character.

They aren't official and just made up.

Al evidence counts. You saying it doesn't shows your bias.

They get shorter because we are at an impasse and you continue to repeat yourself with more bullshit. You made the claim they do so to humanoids without the feat in question being performed on films. They have not. End of discussion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You can't create your own feats and application of said feats. Pisspoor way of debating. We go based on the evidence not our own version of what they are capable of.

Exactly, we go with evidence, meaning we go with Vader crushing an AT-AT, which means he can crush a human w/o effort if he wanted to

GG asspie 👆

I do not argue based off abilities alone. I argue in character.

There's no rule that says they're in character, meaning unless the OP states otherwise

They aren't official and just made up.

"I don't like it so it never happened"

Such a compelling counterargument. Keep it up kid, you're gonna go far with that logic 👆

Al evidence counts. You saying it doesn't shows your bias.

Cheh, you're only argument is "bawww bias". I accept your concession, for the seventh time in a row

They get shorter because we are at an impasse and you continue to repeat yourself with more bullshit.

hahahaha, is "no u" the best you can come up with you degenerate scum

You made the claim they do so to humanoids without the feat in question being performed on films. They have not. End of discussion.

Vader force crushing an AT-AT

Your move 👆

Originally posted by playa1258
Vader snaps his neck. He did that casually to a stormtrooper. Twisted his head around.

Cane is a hell of a lot tougher than a random storm trooper though. That being said, he doesn't really have any defense against being disarmed via TK and then force choked.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Exactly, we go with evidence, meaning we go with Vader crushing an AT-AT, which means he can crush a human w/o effort if he wanted to

GG asspie 👆

There's no rule that says they're in character, meaning unless the OP states otherwise

"I don't like it so it never happened"

Such a compelling counterargument. Keep it up kid, you're gonna go far with that logic 👆

Cheh, you're only argument is "bawww bias". I accept your concession, for the seventh time in a row

hahahaha, is "no u" the best you can come up with you degenerate scum

Vader force crushing an AT-AT

Your move 👆

So you want to say screw the character and argue power sets. That's essentially fanboy and scripting the entire fight.

Show me an official stance not some nerd making it up.

Anyone who wants to dismiss any evejnce is biased. The only objective way is to factor it all in. Quit being emotional and losing your shit.

He can do that to an at at not a humanoid. Your move. We've seen him force choke people so it is in character for him to slowly force choke his opposition.

I can't believe Quan is actually trying to argue that he can't crush a human... even though we've seen him crush vastly more durable. Only an imbecile of epic proportions would even dream of taking such a stance. Vader crushes or Mind rapes Caine is a matter of moments. Unless of course you have mind resistance feats for Caine.. surely you must

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I can't believe Quan is actually trying to argue that he can't crush a human... even though we've seen him crush vastly more durable. Only an imbecile of epic proportions would even dream of taking such a stance. Vader crushes or Mind rapes Caine is a matter of moments. Unless of course you have mind resistance feats for Caine.. surely you must

10 infinite mass lunches and black holes in people's eyes. You're a hypocrite and a simpleton. You don't even understand what you're saying half the time.

WUT??? that literally made no sense at all. Vader has been shown USING TK... whether than be a force push... a force choke or crushing objects. he's been SHOWN doing so. Shown CRUSHING objects VASTLY more durable than a human. You didn't take the stance that he wouldn't fight that way. You took the stance that Caine was too fast for him... or the great "doing something to a metal object with no brain is easier than a somebody fighting back" Not true... there is no time needed to do this. Vader reactions are faster than Caine... he just needs to think it and it will happen. We arent' talking about strategy here or a battle of wills. We're talking about Vader crushing something vastly more durable than a human... You should concede the point that he could crush him... instead you dodge and hide and go.. well it's different doing it to a human than a machine.. WUT???

Difference is Surfer hasn't done the things he claims Surfer can do. he's never put a blackhole in somebody like that. Vader has force choked somebody and force crushed somebody. It's not comparable

Now, the force crush notwithstanding. Can you give me any of Caine's TP resistance feats? Vader doesn't even need to force crush.. he can simply TP him for the easy win. Any resistance feats for Caine?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
WUT??? that literally made no sense at all. Vader has been shown USING TK... whether than be a force push... a force choke or crushing objects. he's been SHOWN doing so. Shown CRUSHING objects VASTLY more durable than a human. You didn't take the stance that he wouldn't fight that way. You took the stance that Caine was too fast for him... or the great "doing something to a metal object with no brain is easier than a somebody fighting back" Not true... there is no time needed to do this. Vader reactions are faster than Caine... he just needs to think it and it will happen. We arent' talking about strategy here or a battle of wills. We're talking about Vader crushing something vastly more durable than a human... You should concede the point that he could crush him... instead you dodge and hide and go.. well it's different doing it to a human than a machine.. WUT???

Difference is Surfer hasn't done the things he claims Surfer can do. he's never put a blackhole in somebody like that. Vader has force choked somebody and force crushed somebody. It's not comparable

Now, the force crush notwithstanding. Can you give me any of Caine's TP resistance feats? Vader doesn't even need to force crush.. he can simply TP him for the easy win. Any resistance feats for Caine?

Vader has also never killed anyone like that. Are you really this moronic you don't get the point. Surfer doesn't create black holes in buttholes and Vader doesn't insta kill anyone with tk. Not ever.

😂

You skipped over the question again... odd.

What feats of TP resistance does Caine have? Please provide them

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, that is incorrect. We don't get to apply someone's powers and apply them in any way you want. Take for example the silver surfer can create black holes. So some fanboy like yourself says he creates one in the other guys anus. That is not how it works, fanboy.

If Silver Surfer can create a black hole to suck in a planet, he can create one to suck in a human. You fail 👆

So you want to say screw the character and argue power sets. That's essentially fanboy and scripting the entire fight.

Yeah, ignoring CIS and comparing their abilities, that's how it works and if you don't like it you should go to one of those DBZ and Narutotard infested cesspits

Show me an official stance not some nerd making it up.

When someone says shit like this you can tell they're desperate. If you're not gonna use numbers, what the **** else are you gonna use to quantify a character? Zigzags? Squiggles?

Without it, you have no basis to compare characters, and if you're not using math to quantify and compare characters, then what the **** you're doing in a vs debate is beyond me

Anyone who wants to dismiss any evejnce is biased. The only objective way is to factor it all in.

"baww bias"

Yeah that's what I thought 👆

Quit being emotional and losing your shit.

Speak for yourself 👆

He can do that to an at at not a humanoid.

Prove it

We've seen him force choke people so it is in character for him to slowly force choke his opposition.

He doesn't force crush people all the time

CIS also isn't valid in vs debates unless stated that it is by the OP 👆

GG troll 👆

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You skipped over the question again... odd.

What feats of TP resistance does Caine have? Please provide them

😂

You're like a poor man's h1. Black holes in the anus and 10 infinite mass punches.