Caine Wise (Jupiter Ascending) vs. Darth Vader (ROTJ)

Originally posted by StealthRanger
If Silver Surfer can create a black hole to suck in a planet, he can create one to suck in a human. You fail 👆

Yeah, ignoring CIS and comparing their abilities, that's how it works and if you don't like it you should go to one of those DBZ and Narutotard infested cesspits

When someone says shit like this you can tell they're desperate. If you're not gonna use numbers, what the **** else are you gonna use to quantify a character? Zigzags? Squiggles?

Without it, you have no basis to compare characters, and if you're not using math to quantify and compare characters, then what the **** you're doing in a vs debate is beyond me

"baww bias"

Yeah that's what I thought 👆

Speak for yourself 👆

Prove it

He doesn't force crush people all the time

CIS also isn't valid in vs debates unless stated that it is by the OP 👆

GG troll 👆

I argue based on what we see not what your imagination cooks up. I also do not ignore anything that is canon. You make up feats and ignore evidence. 🙂

I am glad you admit you're biased. 🙂

You need to calm down.

You made the claim. There isn't any proof he can or would do that to a human.

Continue to make up feats and ignore evidence, troll.

🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say that. I said he can create black holes in a more powerful characters anus. Actually grasp what I'm saying you dummy.

If he can create a black hole on a planet, he can easily create one on a human

GG troll 👆

I argue based on what we see not what your imagination cooks up. I also do not ignore anything that is canon. You make up feats and ignore evidence. 🙂

We see Vader force crush an AT-AT. That is something that happened

GG on torpedoing yourself, troll 👆

I am glad you admit you're biased. 🙂

Try: mocking your debating "skills"

You need to calm down.

Love how that's all you have to say

You made the claim. There isn't any proof he can or would do that to a human.

Been there done that. Crushing an AT-AT 👆

Your move 👆

Continue to make up feats and ignore evidence, troll.

🙂

Originally posted by StealthRanger
If he can create a black hole on a planet, he can easily create one on a human

GG troll 👆

We see Vader force crush an AT-AT. That is something that happened

GG on torpedoing yourself, troll 👆

Try: mocking your debating "skills"

Love how that's all you have to say

Been there done that. Crushing an AT-AT 👆

Your move 👆

We see him force choke people and take close to ten seconds to kill. Evidence. A human is not an At At.

😂

You conceded you're biased.

Did you forget about my entire post ? Quit lying, troll.

Force choke people. In character.

🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
He does not create black holes up people's anuses. So it's the same thing. People can't make up the application of said powers without proof.

He can suck people into black holes

You should just stop, you're getting desperate 👆

OT: Why do you keep bringing up penises and anuses? Are you a homo?

We see him force choke people and take close to ten seconds to kill. Evidence. A human is not an At At.

You're right, an AT-AT>>>>>a human 👆

Also yeah, force choke, not force crush

Nice job torpedoing yourself, again 👆

Did you forget about my entire post ? Quit lying, troll.

What post? :maybe

Force choke people. In character.

🙂

CIS does not apply in vs debates unless stated otherwise

IOW, you have no leg to stand on

Thanks for playing 👆

I'm going with Vader. The Maine Wizard dude would have been a better choice.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
He can suck people into black holes

You should just stop, you're getting desperate 👆

OT: Why do you keep bringing up penises and anuses? Are you a homo?

You're right, an AT-AT>>>>>a human 👆

Also yeah, force choke, not force crush

Nice job torpedoing yourself, again 👆

What post? :maybe

CIS does not apply in vs debates unless stated otherwise

IOW, you have no leg to stand on

Thanks for playing 👆

He's never used the tactic on a human opponent but he has force choked. 🙂

You're helpless.

You dismiss things and make things up. I argue based off what the characters do not what I want them to do. I'm objective whereas you're biased.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are hopeless. I am not saying whether or not he can use them I'm saying he can't create them up people's buttholes unless he does so. Point just flew over your head four times.

IOW, you're just being pedantic in an attempt to dismiss Vader's feats

Nice try, but Vader's feats are still at the point where he can crush a human if he wanted to

GG 👆

He's never used the tactic on a human opponent but he has force choked. 🙂

Been there done that, why would he need to use force crush on a human thoughout the series

You're helpless.

I think you're the last person to be saying this

You dismiss things and make things up. I argue based off what the characters do not what I want them to do. I'm objective whereas you're biased.

Vader force crushing an AT-AT isn't something made up, it's an actual feat 👆

You're just grasping at straws, please leave while you still have a shred of dignity 👆

Originally posted by StealthRanger
IOW, you're just being pedantic in an attempt to dismiss Vader's feats

Nice try, but Vader's feats are still at the point where he can crush a human if he wanted to

GG 👆

Been there done that, why would he need to use force crush on a human thoughout the series

I think you're the last person to be saying this

Vader force crushing an AT-AT isn't something made up, it's an actual feat 👆

You're just grasping at straws, please leave while you still have a shred of dignity 👆

Because he's been held captive by lessers and crushed by Obi. Obi decimated him in rots. 😂

Delusional.

He can force crush an At At but not a human since he's never done that. I'm consistent with what he's done. You and your weirdo imagination.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader has never done so but keep pretending he crushes humans all the time. What about when hondo had he, Obi, and dooku held captive ? Bunch of dirtbag pirates who held powerful Jedi captive despite no force powers. 😂

Ahahaha, gotta love this, you try to bring up low end showings for Star Wars yet try to deny the same shit in Harry Potter where wizards hide from muggles because a schmuck with a shotgun has a 50-50 chance of killing any wizard

You're a god damn hypocritical troll

And no quan "durr didn't do it in every single situation he ever appeared so that means he's not allowed to use it here" is not a valid argument

Because he's been held captive by lessers

Comedy gold on citing low end showings as evidence

and crushed by Obi. Obi decimated him in rots. 😂

Obi-Wan only lost because Anakin's arrogance and pulling a stupid move on Obi, rather than Obi defeating him in terms of power

Also

>implies losing to Obi-Wan in some kind of low end showing

And what does "decimated in rots" even mean you inbred retard?

He can force crush an At At but not a human since he's never done that. I'm consistent with what he's done. You and your weirdo imagination.

Crushing an AT-AT>>>>crushing a human, as has been said several times 👆

You're just in denial, actually in accept your (eighth) concession since you haven't given any sensible reason as to why Vader couldn't force crush a human, just bawwing "THEY'RE NOT THE SAME"

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Ahahaha, gotta love this, you try to bring up low end showings for Star Wars yet try to deny the same shit in Harry Potter where wizards hide from muggles because a schmuck with a shotgun has a 50-50 chance of killing any wizard

You're a god damn hypocritical troll

And no quan "durr didn't do it in every single situation he ever appeared so that means he's not allowed to use it here" is not a valid argument

Comedy gold on citing low end showings as evidence

Obi-Wan only lost because Anakin's arrogance and pulling a stupid move on Obi, rather than Obi defeating him in terms of power

Also

>implies losing to Obi-Wan in some kind of low end showing

And what does "decimated in rots" even mean you inbred retard?

Crushing an AT-AT>>>>crushing a human, as has been said several times 👆

You're just in denial, actually in accept your (eighth) concession since you haven't given any sensible reason as to why Vader couldn't force crush a human, just bawwing "THEY'RE NOT THE SAME"

It is canon and is evidence. Cry more over undeniable facts. You said when has he needed to use it and I cited an example. You cried. I laughed.

Obi defeated him through superior skill and intelligence. Anakin is an idiot and too arrogant which is a huge disadvantage.

Decimated in revenge of the sith. You don't even know what the name of the film was Obi killed him. Ignorance. 😂

Hondo, Obi, dooku crushing him in aotc. Examples. Caine wins quicker than Hondo took to hold him and Obi as prisoners.

Originally posted by quanchi112
what wizard in the films hid from a muggle with a shotgun ?

I don't know, fact that the whole wizarding world hides from the real world, because they'd get stomped in conventional warfare

Unless all those concerns of wizards being killed by muggles were just my imagination

You are pathetic.

No u

Hondo held force users captives like absolute weaklings. Canon.

Because it had an army of beings who posses weapons that could kill them, and attacking them would just mean the far more numerous enemy would attack them and kill them. Sometimes powers are handled far more intellegently in fiction then just nuking the **** out of everything like a shonen manga

Undeniable. Why no force crush ? 😂

Because using force crush on Hondo or something would get them fired upon by everybody else, duh ya dipshit

Obi defeated him through superior skill and intelligence. Anakin is an idiot and too arrogant which is a huge disadvantage.

Obi only won because Anakin decided to jump against Obi-Wan in what would have been a suicide move, it was far from a case of Obi being more powerful. Since we don't consider CIS to be a factor here, this is null and void, moving on

Decimated in revenge of the sith. You don't even know what the name of the film was Obi killed him. Ignorance. 😂

You should have said "ROTS" not "rot" you dumb shit

Hondo,

Been there done that

Obi, dooku crushing him in aotc.

Dooku didn't crush him in AOTC, stop making shit up

Same AOTC has Dooku ripping bolted durasteel and force crushing part of a massive pillar

Caine wins quicker than Hondo took to hold him and Obi as prisoners.

Anakin's not massively outnumbered here, and CIS isn't off, so Anakin force crushes him like a walnut unless you can show me one durability feat of Caine

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you know what Vader's powers even are ?

😂

You're like a poor man's h1. Black holes in the anus and 10 infinite mass punches.

So you had no idea that jedi's can mind rape people? No wonder you're such a moron when it comes to SW characters in vs. threads. I first thought it was because you were being intentionally obtuse. Now it's clear that you don't have the slightest clue and the characters and their powerset.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
I don't know, fact that the whole wizarding world hides from the real world, because they'd get stomped in conventional warfare

Unless all those concerns of wizards being killed by muggles were just my imagination

No u

Because it had an army of beings who posses weapons that could kill them, and attacking them would just mean the far more numerous enemy would attack them and kill them. Sometimes powers are handled far more intellegently in fiction then just nuking the **** out of everything like a shonen manga

Because using force crush on Hondo or something would get them fired upon by everybody else, duh ya dipshit

Obi only won because Anakin decided to jump against Obi-Wan in what would have been a suicide move, it was far from a case of Obi being more powerful. Since we don't consider CIS to be a factor here, this is null and void, moving on

You should have said "ROTS" not "rot" you dumb shit

Been there done that

Dooku didn't crush him in AOTC, stop making shit up

Same AOTC has Dooku ripping bolted durasteel and force crushing part of a massive pillar

Anakin's not massively outnumbered here, and CIS isn't off, so Anakin force crushes him like a walnut unless you can show me one durability feat of Caine

Concession accepted.

So you agree that their combined powers meant shit against their combined forces. Three of the elite Jedi despite their powers just submitted to Hondo and his rag tag bunch of misfits. Khan himself took on the Klingons and three of the enterprise crew and came out on top, easily. He was vastly outnumbered. Khan is a man's man while these Jedi were cowards. 🙂

Look at Caine also take on foes in far greater numbers and came out on top.

There were three of them. I guess three elite Jedi are less than Hondo and his shitty pirates. Glad to hear you admit that.

I never said Obi was more powerful I said he crushed him. Lost limbs and tears while he burned. I can't think of a more humiliating way to take an L. Obi warned him not to jump. Anakins own opponent told him please don't and Anakin the dumbass that he is did it. What an absolute moron. 😂

Way to go Darth Vader.

Read your own quote' decimated in rots"...... 😂

I always said rots. You even said it and were too dumb to figure it out.

I cited an example. It's feels great using evidence to support my stances unlike your imagination.

Dooku beat Anakin twice in attack of the clones and easily. Watch the film. Dooku owned his stupid charging ass.

You have no examples and Caine unlike Anakin doesn't submit when massively outnumbered in combat. Show me a clip of Vader doing so to a umma kid opponent. You made the claim. 🙂

Again, how about those TP resistance feats for Caine again?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again, how about those TP resistance feats for Caine again?

He doesn't, but Vader's not known for using much TP aside from mind trick, and that's resistible with simple strong will.

The TP mind trick as you call it has worked more times on screen than it's failed. That's the reality of it. Not saying it for sure will work, but what we do know, is that it's another option Vader has at his disposal that Caine might not be able to deal with

Originally posted by quanchi112
I said he can create black holes in a more powerful characters anus.

#homosexconfirmed (again)

#getmadnow (again)

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again, how about those TP resistance feats for Caine again?

Originally posted by Robtard
#homosexconfirmed (again)

#getmadnow (again)

Originally posted by quanchi112
So no examples just some random interview that didn't pertain to the films whatsoever. This seems to sum up your debating. Screw proof and just make shit up what happened. Voldemort would have dominated the real world. Imperio, etc.

So according to you wizards being scared of being killed if they were detected by humans and WoG saying a schmuck with a shotgun can defeat any wizard don't count

Nice double standards 👆

So you agree that their combined powers meant shit against their combined forces. Three of the elite Jedi despite their powers just submitted to Hondo and his rag tag bunch of misfits.

Well if Hondo can capture Jedi he's just that damn awesome 👆

Khan himself took on the Klingons and three of the enterprise crew and came out on top, easily. He was vastly outnumbered. Khan is a man's man while these Jedi were cowards. 🙂

So he took on some Redshirts and had cover and shit, yeah, that's totally something a Jedi couldn't replicate 🙄

It's not like Khan stood in an empty battleground in the middle of every enemy and stomped them while tanking their fire

Look at Caine also take on foes in far greater numbers and came out on top.

You're going to have to be far more definitve than that

There were three of them. I guess three elite Jedi are less than Hondo and his shitty pirates. Glad to hear you admit that.

They were surrounded by blasters, at least in Dooku's case

So say nothing of the fact that this is the same series where you have Plo Koon moving a space pod with his telekinesis, Darth Maul moving a spaceship, Ashoka and some younglings collapsing a cliff-face

Or even in the movies where Obi-Wan and Yoda take on multiple squads of Clone Troopers outside the Temple, or Anakin and Obi-Wan taking on entire squads of Droids, etc

I never said Obi was more powerful I said he crushed him. Lost limbs and tears while he burned. I can't think of a more humiliating way to take an L. Obi warned him not to jump. Anakins own opponent told him please don't and Anakin the dumbass that he is did it. What an absolute moron. 😂

Way to go Darth Vader.

And as has been said to you several times throughout the MvF, Anakin lost solely due to CIS on his part, been there done that moving on

I cited an example. It's feels great using evidence to support my stances unlike your imagination.

You haven't countered anything. You have simply stonewalled, ignored evidence, resorted to pedantiscm and nitpicked low end showings

Nice try, but it doesn't override actual feats

Dooku beat Anakin twice in attack of the clones and easily. Watch the film.

Good for Dooku, not sure what your argument was supposed to be though, retard

You have no examples and Caine unlike Anakin doesn't submit when massively outnumbered in combat. Show me a clip of Vader doing so to a umma kid opponent. You made the claim. 🙂

Vader force crushed an AT-AT, he can force crush Caine, unless you can show me a feat that suggests Caine can survive force enough to crush heavy durasteel machinery

#feats #can'tbedenied