Caine Wise (Jupiter Ascending) vs. Darth Vader (ROTJ)

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, that's what I meant. This was a giant target. I'm right as per the norm.

You're an idiot and always show up like the redneck that you are.

Then say what you mean instead of the nonsense you drool out and then having to backpedal and do flips all the time when people point it out 😂

"Size matters not" 😂 You don't even know how the Force works and here you are flaming again because you can't prove your point intelligently, just like I've said. 👆

'Someone small can out maneuver the Force!' -you *everyone laughs*

Originally posted by Robtard
Then say what you mean instead of the nonsense you drool out and then having to backpedaling and do flips all the time when people point it out 😂

"Size matters not" 😂 You don't even know how the Force works.

"Someone small can out maneuver the Force!" -you *everyone laughs*

A moving target or an elusive target such as Caine is in no way comparable to Vader tking practically a stationary target in an at at. How you possibly got confused is just how awful of a debater you are. It's relevant to the topic at hand.

Yoga picking up the ship from the swamp took iirc over 20 seconds or some such. That's a shit load of time and a lot of focus on a gigantic stationary target.

🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
You misunderstood.

A moving target or an elusive target such as Caine is in no way comparable to Vader tking practically a stationary target in an at at. How you possibly got confused is just how awful of a debater you are. It's relevant to the topic at hand.

Yoga picking up the ship from the swamp took iirc over 20 seconds or some such. That's a shit load of time and a lot of focus on a gigantic stationary target.

🙂

Keep doing flips for me 👆

You still don't understand how the Force works. "Well, the Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together." - Obi-Wan

If you paid attention in EpV(you didn't), Force users don't even need a direct line of sight to use the Force on someone.

😂 @ your "Caine will just out maneuver the Force!", so much fail.

Originally posted by Robtard
Keep doing flips for me 👆

You still don't understand how the Force works. "Well, the Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together." - Obi-Wan

If you paid attention in EpV(you didn't), Force users don't even need a direct line of sight to use the Force on someone.

😂 @ your "Caine will just out maneuver the Force!", so much fail.

They have to maintain their focus onto said object. The problem isn't line of sight its focus which leaves them open. The greater the feat the more focus and more time it takes to achieve said feat. Again, you don't understand and ramble on completely clueless.

Caine will kill the force user before he can focus on him to achieve his objective. We see Obi barely able to use the force to get his weapon back against Jango's before Jango's closes the distance and turns the fight into a brawl.

Focus is the problem when facing an elusive, highly skilled opponent who can use long ranged weapons to kill you.

/thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
access to the force is why they are special. Accessing the force makes them jump superhuman distances, tk, etc.

They have to maintain their focus onto said object. The problem isn't line of sight its focus which leaves them open. The greater the feat the more focus and more time it takes to achieve said feat. Again, you don't understand and ramble on completely clueless.

Caine will kill the force user before he can focus on him to achieve his objective. We see Obi barely able to use the force to get his weapon back against Jango's before Jango's closes the distance and turns the fight into a brawl.

Focus is the problem when facing an elusive, highly skilled opponent who can use long ranged weapons to kill you.

/thread.

LoL, look at you constantly adding after you're told something, trying to make your position less pathetic.

Vader was "focused" when he shook the medical station and crushed droids? That was Vader not focused and unleashing rage. 🙂

Now you're scripting and ignoring what you don't like: "Caine's just going to dodge the Force (LoL!) and shoot Vader!"

😂 "Out maneuvering the Force", worse debating tactic ever.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, look at you constantly adding after you're told something, trying to make your position less pathetic.

Vader was "focused" when he shook the medical station and crushed droids? 😂 That was Vader not focused and unleashing rage.

Now you're scripting and ignoring what you don't like: "Caine's just going to dodge the Force (LoL!) and shoot Vader!"

😂 "Out maneuvering the Force"

Vader was raging and not focused but blindly destroying everything in the room. I never said he was focused there I said that was a tk feat.

Jango didn't have to dodge the force he just had to engage the guy using the force. Same principle here, dummy. Did Obi win ? I mean the force, dude.

I am going by the evidence not scripting anything.

Jango sure seems to do fine against a force user. Watch the films. Cad bane also did fine. They can't use the force either.

Does Quan even realize he's getting owned horrible during this debate. Well debate is a strong word to use when Stealth is the only one doing any debating. Quan is just fumbling around like usual hoping he can make a relevant point, somehow some way.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My position has not changed.

Vader was raging and not focused but blindly destroying everything in the room. I never said he was focused there I said that was a tk feat.

Jango didn't have to dodge the force he just had to engage the guy using the force. Same principle here, dummy. Did Obi win ? I mean the force, dude.

I am going by the evidence not scripting anything.

Jango sure seems to do fine against a force user. Watch the films. Cad bane also did fine. They can't use the force either.

LoL! You just changed it below.

You claimed "they have to maintain focus" above and now "Vader was not focused" after I punched holes in your silly theory and explained that scene to you. Keep doing flips for me, buddy.

So now you're claiming Obi was trying to Force-crush/grab Jango? 😂

"Out maneuvering the Force", worse debating tactic ever.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Does Quan even realize he's getting owned horrible during this debate. Well debate is a strong word to use when Stealth is the only one doing any debating. Quan is just fumbling around like usual hoping he can make a relevant point, somehow some way.

Caine wins.

/thread.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL! You just changed it below.

You claimed "they have to maintain focus" above and now "Vader was not focused" after I punched holes in your silly theory and explained that scene to you. Keep doing flips for me, buddy.

So now you're claiming Obi was trying to Force-crush/grab Jango? 😂

"Out maneuvering the Force", worse debating tactic ever.

Vader was not focused on one single target but lashed out while using his tk abilities in the surrounding environment.

Obi can't force crush Jango. He uses his force abilities in. Fight like all the other Star Wars characters have. They don't force crush skin and bodies because one if they would they'd be mowed down in time before they actually pulled it off. Secondly it's out of character.

Take the force crush objects feats and then any skilled opponent using a gun and see what happens much faster.

Vader let Han Solo fire off two shots while lying in wait before he could take his gun away. Proof is in the pudding, Roberta.

LoL! Explaining back what I had to explain to you in the first place. Classic quanchi112 flips. Anyhow.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. All feats supported with screen evidence. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick. 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL! Explaining back what I had to explain to you. Classic flips.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. All feats supported with screen evidence. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick.

I just called this in another thread. You always regress into a rage loop thus forfeiting the debate.

Caine wins.

Evidence always causes your rage loops and flaming.

😂

"Irony", from the "what I meant to actually say" poster, after his failed points have been thoroughly sodomized and he's trying to backpedal out.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. All feats supported with screen evidence. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick.

Originally posted by Robtard
"Irony", from the "what I meant to actually say" poster, after his points have been thoroughly sodomized and he's trying to backpedal out.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. All feats supported with screen evidence. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick.

Nice fanfic scripting. It's all you ever do in a debate. 😂

Stop lying, you posted nonsense as noted and then started doing flips with 'what I actually meant!', adding after you've been corrected. You always do this, it is known. "Caine will out maneuver the force!". Just awful.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. All feats supported with screen evidence. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick.

Originally posted by Robtard
Stop lying, you posted nonsense as noted and then started doing flips with 'what I actually meant!', adding after you've been corrected. You always do this, it is known. "Caine will out maneuver the force!". Just awful.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. All feats supported with screen evidence. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick.

Caine isn't taking on the force but the force user who needs to focus in order to do so. Caines' far quicker with a gun than a tk crush tactic. Evidence.

Caine is far quicker than Jango fett who gave Vader's victor Obi fits.

Evidence.

Continue to fanfic like the simpleton you are.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. All feats supported with screen evidence. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick.

/Vader wins

Originally posted by Robtard
Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. All feats supported with screen evidence. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick.

/Vader wins

Hell, by your own admission Han Solo can fire twice before Vader can force pull his gun away.

😂

Next time think before citing evidence that blows up in your face.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. All feats supported with screen evidence. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick.

/Vader wins

Originally posted by Robtard
Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. All feats supported with screen evidence. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick.

/Vader wins