Caine Wise (Jupiter Ascending) vs. Darth Vader (ROTJ)

Anyhow: Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Originally posted by Robtard
Anyhow: Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

You assume Caine is equal to Han Solo because based off your logic if you punch out a fifth grader you can punch out an mma fighter, right ?

When has Vader ever pinpointed someone's boots while in combat and destroyed them before he can react. Based off the force crush objects feats he needs seconds and his total concentration on it so does Caine just stand there despite his maneuverability feats while in the gravity boots in the film ? Suddenly he's stationary and the only combatant doing anything is Vader.

You're a pisspoor debater. Continue to repeat yourself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I forced you to scrap it the entire fight and rage loop all two masterful posts.

You assume Caine is equal to Han Solo because based off your logic if you punch out a fifth grader you can punch out an mma fighter, right ?

When has Vader ever pinpointed someone's boots while in combat and destroyed them before he can react. Based off the force crush objects feats he needs seconds and his total concentration on it so does Caine just stand there despite his maneuverability feats while in the gravity boots in the film ? Suddenly he's stationary and the only combatant doing anything is Vader.

You're a pisspoor debater. Continue to repeat yourself.

You're doing a "no you!", basically saying back to me what I already noted about you. Pathetic.

When did I make that comment? You're strawmanning now. Caine being stronger than Han is irrelevant. Vader is one of the most powerful Force users in SW.

Back to the same nonsense as before, this time it's: "Vader never attacked someone's boots so he can't!"

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Anyhow: Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

edit: Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
You're doing a "no you!", basically saying back to me what I already noted about you. Pathetic.

Caine being stronger than Han is irrelevant. Vader is one of the most powerful Force users in SW.

Back to the same nonsense as before, this time it's: "Vader never attacked someone's boots so he can't!"

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Anyhow: Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

So even if it's the hulk Vader is too powerful and rips it away the same way ? You're heinous at debating and ignoring strength from some shitty Han Solo to Caine Wise.

He can but he needs his concentration and too much time to do so. Since when does he force push weapons away and just insta crush energy gear before an opponent can attack ? Hell, in the feat you suggested Han is fast enough to fire twice. 🙂

Caine stands still. His strength doesn't matter and Vader just force does everything too fast despite the timing of his own feats in his own films. Evidence doesn't matter. Robbie brings up a feat I time it and Robbie says ignore it.

😂

💃

Really, you can't follow the basics of a conversation? They'd have to be stronger physically than one of the strongest Force users in SW. Caine isn't, that's who is in this match. Not the Hulk, Superman, Darkseid or any other notable powerhouse. You're comparing the Hulk with Caine 😂 <--- at you right now

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
Really, you can't follow the basics of a conversation? They'd have to be stronger physically than one of the strongest Force users in SW. Caine isn't, that's who is in this match. Not the Hulk, Superman, Darkseid or any other notable powerhouse. You're comparing the Hulk with Caine 😂 <--- at you right now

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick 🙂

You said strength didn't matter so I picked a really strong character and watched your tune change, Now strength matters but a post ago it didn't matter. 😂

Pull yourself together.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they do not. It's like saying watch Obi force pull a light saber back and there's no way a person could have stopped that ? Han Solo unlike Caine isn't a stationary target. In that scene Vader laid in wait so ha was surprised. He still got two shots off. We see Caine move laterally all over the place with this boots while firing. A moving target who can move off the ground in a variety of angles is a much harder target than a stationary lying in wait Han Solo.

You said strength didn't matter so I picked a really strong character and watched your tune change, Now strength matters but a post ago it didn't matter. 😂

Pull yourself together.

You're back to your nonsense tactics: "Vader never used the Force on someone in the air, so he can't!" This is all you have in here.

In regards to Caine's level of strength, you know, the one Vader is facing here. This is basic reading comprehension.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
You're back to your nonsense tactics: "Vader never used the Force on someone in the air, so he can't!" This is all you have in here.

In regards to Caine's level of strength, you know, the one Vader is facing here. This is basic reading comprehension.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick smile

Caine isn't an inanimate object that Vader destroyed in ROTS. Caine isn't Han Solo either. He isn't walking into a setup. You said strength didn't matter despite Vader just overcoming Han Solo's strength. You said only the force powers matter now strength matters. I always said it did. Hah Solo is nowhere near Caine. Period.

So both examples you brought forth have nothing to do with Caine, his strength, his skills, his abilities, or his movements.

So you're not even sure about your own argument now. Damn, I am GOOD 👆

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
So you're not even sure about your own argument now. Damn, I am GOOD 👆

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick 🙂

You conceded point by point. You took an inferior opponent and glossed over Vader having the jump on him. Despite this he got off two shots because Vader was slower to react than Han Solo. Caine is stronger, can move 3 dimensionally in any angle, and has greater feats of skill, etc. than Han Solo.

🙂

Wrong, but now you're back to scripting. Don't script 👆

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
I thought shit like Clone Wars and Disney Canon shit was allowed in vs debates here?

It absolutely is, and I'm not sure why people are saying Quan is correct. Clone wars series material is fine in this section. Mods ruled on this awhile ago I believe

a horrendous display from Quan... It's simply ridiculous to think that somebody can crush something exponentially more durable than something else.. but can't crush the less durable object. That level of buffoonery is epic.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong, but now you're back to scripting. Don't script 👆

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick.

I cited evidence. You bright uo instances then ignored the timing of said instances. You ignored your own evidence. I've never seen anyone that incompetent.

Caine is too quick, too skilled, and too fast to have that occur to him like Han who was set up by Vader to begin with.

Caine wins.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
a horrendous display from Quan... It's simply ridiculous to think that somebody can crush something exponentially more durable than something else.. but can't crush the less durable object. That level of buffoonery is epic.

Let's work on your spelling first. Khan from Into Darkness is spelled this way not Kahn. That's Shao Kahn from Mortal Kombat, horsey.

Wrong, as shown.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong, as shown.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick.

Evidence supports my claims.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So ?? How long did the feat take ? Why do you ignore how tk functions in the Star Wars universe.

He did it fairly casually, he formed his hand into a fist and it happened? 👆

Force lightning ko'd Anakin easily.

>still implies being hurt by force lightning is a low end showing

You're not even trying, at this poin

Obi was hurt many times and was physically tossed around by jango fett. 🙂

Name one time where Jango Fett hurt Obi-Wan

Also, if Jango Fett can stand up to Obi-Wan, then good for him really (well ignoring Jango Fett was told to bring Jango back alive but, you know)

His body is still older. He can use force powers but attacking his body is attacking his body.

Red herring

Force powers don't alter his old putrid body just amp his movements at the time. Again that's how it works.

Key difference being?

Yoda wouldn't need a cane if his body was in tip top shape.

So you're just going to ignore his agility just because he uses a cane?

You're a ****ing idiot

Palpatine was disarmed in both of his saber fights.

And yet he beat Yoda 👆

It was just a well placed kick.

Wrong

Implying windu can kick through steel is ridiculous.

>implies that kicking through steel is really that big a deal in fiction
>ignores that Obi-Wan physically bested Grievous who can punch and tear durasteel with his strength and Mace Windu>>>

He said afterwards he will now die. He took the concentrated blasts for a decent amount of time and walked away with no damage.
😂

Good for Luke 👆

Why has he never force crushed a human then ?

Could casually do so if he wanted to, it's just a stylistic choice

Are humans as slow as At At's ?

Nah, they're prolly slower, actually

Has he ever done so ? Nah. So the only thing Vader supporters have is one feat applied to all debates but hey we aren't scripting because this thing he did one time he does every time now. Fanboy 101.

You don't realize how the force works. If it was easy to force insta kill bounty hunters I think we'd have seen one example but hey **** it the at at feat in every thread. **** examples. He did it once so he does it in the first millisecond.

Is it time to screen cap fanfic captions ??

Originally posted by quanchi112
Any Jedi or force user has to have their complete focus in order to do so and we can time the feats and compare Caine shooting an opponent or Vader using his force powers. Want to see the evidence stack up, horse face.

Let's work on your spelling first. Khan from Into Darkness is spelled this way not Kahn. That's Shao Kahn from Mortal Kombat, horsey.

How can a moron like yourself be correcting anybody on spelling? You can barely put together a coherent sentence, let alone a argument. Your sentence structure is almost as piss poor as your debating skills. I'm beginning to think caving your face in to become smush face might have impacted your brain as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you couldn't even follow your own evidence. You ignored the timing, the situation, the characters, and unfairly interchanged a superior character in the role of Han Solo. You scripted the entire fight into another fanfic debating tactic.

Evidence supports my claims.

Wrong, as shown.

Since you can't intelligently counter any of my points, you lost.

Vader Force-pulls Caine's gun (EpV) and then Force-crushes Caine's gravity-boots around his feet (EpIII), Caine plummets to the ground; Vader executes him. Game. Set. Match.

Or Vader just crushes Caine like a grape. Take your pick.